Thousands of Ukrainians took the news of the crash of a Russian plane in Egypt as a great joy and carnivorously discuss what happened on the forums. Thus, the Ukrainian portal "Censor.net" even had to remove several thousand comments in which Ukrainian joy went beyond all conceivable boundaries. Ten thousand comments have been deleted from Censor.net, but new ones continue to appear in the comments on the news about the Russian aircraft, perhaps even more harsh in content. The frequency of occurrence is up to eight to ten pieces per minute. The text stream of hatred is often interrupted by technical messages "Comment deleted" or "Comment marked as spam" - it was the Russians or more loyal brethren trying to reason with the raging Ukrainians. "Burn in hell, katsap bio-garbage!" - writes a user under the nickname Pablo Ramirez 0bd421b7. "The Putin-dependent katsap is a humanoid creature mutating in the opposite direction from evolution, dangerous to the environment, therefore it must be destroyed by the joint efforts of mankind," Vitaly Blake proclaims. "If during the 2nd World War a civilian plane crashed in Nazi Germany, do you think the inhabitants of the USSR felt sorry for its passengers?" - asks alom70 rhetorically. The Ukrainians recalled to the Russians their alleged joy over the downed Malaysian Boeing, the Ukrainian Il-76, as well as the military company in Syria, which is allegedly killing civilians. “What is it they say on Goebels TV? Is the weather favorable for collecting pieces of Katsap meat? Visibility is good, all the goat-faced ones will be collected in pieces, or is it better to collect them in figs, is it better to bomb women and children in Syria?” - writes Oleg Tikhonov 055f40a1. “But it’s not people who die in the Donbass? For us, katsaps have been like people for a year already. They are vile, arrogant, soulless enemies. And burn them all in hell. EVERYONE !!! katsapii - so much the better for my country," Katso writes. Russians or more prudent Ukrainians who call on their brethren to show human compassion are recorded as “katsaps”, cursed, tried to be banned, etc. "Better put your tongue in the f*** and wait for the people to let off steam!" - they recommend to those who do not share the Ukrainian rejoicing over the tragedy, and also explain that such a very aggressive (and in our opinion - beyond the bounds of humanity and common sense) reaction is completely natural: "Our people have a lot of anger at them for what they have done , and this is their defensive reaction," writes Yaukr. "Skotoryly, and you are bombing the people of Syria even more, you will be even more" condolences ". Rusnya, you are the sickest, slavish scum on the globe,” says Northrop Grumman. “Katsiki, don’t worry, your next plane will get fewer comments, somehow it doesn’t matter what you have there, f***** **, it's happening," Bukov reassures. "We should not be like these Russian live miscarriages. There were probably children there as well. At least because of this," calls Yuriy Bilyy. "I sincerely sympathize with people and their loved ones ... no with Russian biowaste," Top Gan responds.
Significant recent events show an increase in mutual negative perception in relations between Ukrainians and Russians. Russian journalist Konstantin Eggert explained why the Ukrainians do not sympathize with the Russians after the fall of the Tu-154. This is reported by the journalists of the "News of the World" section of the online publication for business people "Market Leader" with reference to Deutsche Welle.
In his publication, Russian journalist and TV presenter Konstantin Eggert states that there is also a virtual front in the Russian-Ukrainian war. Now Ukrainians on social networks are rejoicing at the crash of the plane of the Russian Ministry of Defense, which flew to Aleppo and crashed into the sea near Sochi. The Russians respond by accusing their neighbors of mocking the dead. Meanwhile, a detailed examination of the situation and prerequisites makes it possible to understand why many Ukrainians cannot bring themselves to sympathize with the Russians.
Explaining their feelings, the Ukrainians say that they have no reason to grieve over the death of the passengers of the downed Tu-154 aircraft. On board the plane were the military, the Alexandrov Ensemble, which was heading to a concert for the Russian group in Syria. Also on the plane were war correspondents from pro-Kremlin TV channels and even philanthropist Elizaveta Glinka, also known to the public as Dr. Lisa. According to Ukrainians, by her work on the territory of the "people's republics" of Donbass, Dr. Liza actually assisted in the legitimization of pro-Russian separatists.
The parties mutually accuse each other of immorality. At the same time, Ukrainians say that before reading morals, Russians should leave Ukrainian territory. Disputes on the social networks Facebook and Twitter are handled by a minority of the population in each country. Nevertheless, it is this small part of an active society that seriously influences the formation and trends in public opinion.
Traditionally, Russian society for the most part tries to push the conflict with Ukraine and what is happening in Syria to the periphery of consciousness. The Russians are doing their best not to think about what is happening. From the point of view of a median Russian inhabitant, Crimea has become “ours” forever, like a conditional Chelyabinsk or Altai, and nothing is happening in the Donbass. Also, the average Russian believes that something like a large-scale “counter-terrorist operation” is taking place in Syria, where ground forces are not working, only aviation, so there are almost no casualties among the Russian military.
Residents of Russia do not know and do not want to know anything about the carpet bombing of Aleppo by Russian aircraft. Moreover, Russian citizens are not interested in the reaction to the bombing by the world community. The events of the sluggish "Donbass" war are not among the interests of the Russian layman. For Ukrainians, what is happening in the Donbas is part of everyday life. Ukrainian citizens sincerely cannot understand why the people of Russia do not hear and understand them.
The Russians are hiding behind a wall of silence.
Only a few Russian public figures prefer not to pretend that nothing special is happening. They are trying to change the situation with their scandalous statements. After the fall of the Tu-154, Arkady Babchenko and Bozhena Rynska voiced their opinions about what happened. They deliberately violated the principle of not speaking ill of the dead. As a result, they were accused of insulting the memory of the victims of the disaster. Deputy Milonov even offered to sell the property of Babchenko and Rynskaya and transfer the proceeds to the fund of Dr. Lisa, and deprive the activists of their citizenship and expel them from the country.
To all appearances, Babchenko and Rynskaya see such foolishness as the only way to break the blockade of silence that hides the events in Ukraine and Syria from ordinary Russians. Meanwhile, many Ukrainians are beginning to perceive what is happening in the context of wartime morality. In this model, any problem with the enemy is perceived as a good event. Without difficulty, Ukrainians associate themselves with the inhabitants of Aleppo and see some kind of allies in the militants opposing Russia and Assad in Syria.
Russian society still continues to habitually live with the belief that the situation will gradually normalize on its own, and Ukrainians realize that the Russians do not wish them harm. Russian citizens are convinced that their military is fighting terrorists in Syria. Syrians are perceived by many Russians as terrorists or their supporters, or as second-class people who, in order to achieve victory, can not be spared or counted.
In this context, it should be recalled that during the beginning of the conflict with Ukraine, several mass anti-war actions took place in the Russian capital. The Syrian operation did not evoke a similar reaction in Russian society. Not a single mass protest against the hostilities in Moscow, more or less comparable in scale, took place. Modern Russian consciousness is divided, as often happens in such cases.
Often people want to be winners in a war, but refuse to pay for the status of a winner with the lives of their compatriots. However, it is a mistake to expect that any war will be without casualties. Attempts to pretend that nothing is happening are often shattered by reality when a plane crashes with the military or a diplomat is killed by a bullet. Such events are now taking place with Russian society.
Ukrainian society, on the contrary, can be called completely integral. The public opinion of Ukraine constantly reminds its northern neighbors that they are waging 2 undeclared wars and Ukrainians do not intend to yield to the aggressor. Even Russian critics of the Kremlin's policy are counting on a relatively quick reconciliation with Ukraine. Ukrainians, meanwhile, just want their neighbors to get behind them, along with their "brotherly love."
Residents of Kyiv carry flowers and candles to the building of the Russian Embassy in connection with the Black Sea. "The people of Kiev express their condolences over the crash of the Russian Tu-154 airliner in the Black Sea," the Russian diplomatic mission said on Twitter.
Tu-154 of the Ministry of Defense crashed in Sochi: details
According to the Zvezda TV channel, on one of the plates that the people of Kiev installed near the embassy, there is an inscription "We mourn, we condole, Ukrainians who love Russia." At the same time, there has been no reaction from Ukrainian officials yet.
Meanwhile, messages appeared in the Ukrainian-language segment of social networks in connection with the plane crash. "But I'm sad! The capacity of the TU-154 is 180 passengers, what kind of buoy do they fly half empty?" — wrote the user @yurapop2.
“Already 92 corpses in the Tu-154. The trend is positive,” writes @FPfaino."Good morning, Ukraine. Merry Christmas!" - also says in one of the tweets of this public.
Most Internet users have criticized such messages. “The malevolent scream of crests due to the fall of the Tu-154 is explained by severe mental trauma caused by the sublimation of an unsatisfied visa-free visa,” writes Philip Maslovsky ( @soulstray).
Advisor to the President of Ukraine Yuriy Biryukov, commenting on the crash of the Russian Tu-154 aircraft over the Black Sea, announced his desire to take a bottle of "Hawthorn" to the Russian embassy. “The inhabitants of the neighboring horde sincerely do not understand the reason why we rejoice at the death of 80 servicemen of the horde army. The plane of the Russian Defense Ministry crashed ... There was only one desire - to take a bottle of Hawthorn to the embassy of the horde,” he wrote on his Facebook page.
Users were outraged by such statements about the tragedy. Thus, the actor Yefim Shifrin called mockery from Kyiv unthinkable and recalled that "on the day of the death of completely peaceful people, it is customary to either mourn or be silent."
"Our dear neighbors on the map. I never did this. I never allowed myself such appeals. But this is unthinkable, this is no good: the culture of any people, the ethical ideas of any community do not allow mockery of the dead. It's so obvious, that on the day of the death of completely peaceful people, it is customary to either mourn or remain silent. Please, choose the second option: it will not require any moral efforts from you. I know that many of you are believers. It is difficult for me to accept such commentary as part of the rite. Please shut up…" the actor wrote on his Facebook page.
Recall that German Chancellor Angela Merkel has already expressed condolences to Russian President Vladimir Putin in connection with the crash of the Tu-154 aircraft. Italian Foreign Minister Angelino Alfano also expressed condolences to the families of the victims and sympathy to the entire Russian people. "To all of Russia, Italy's most important partner, I express my condolences on behalf of our country," the minister said. US Ambassador to Russia John Tefft also expressed condolences to the families and friends of those killed in the Tu-154 crash near Sochi.
Now the Russians, who learned about the crash of the Tu-154 in the Black Sea, on board which, presumably, was Elizaveta Glinka, known as Doctor Liza, are bringing flowers to the building of the Fair Aid Foundation, which she headed. Among them are colleagues, neighbors and all human rights activists who are not indifferent to the numerous good deeds.
Residents of Moscow with flowers also went to the building of the Academic Song and Dance Ensemble of the Russian Army named after A. V. Alexandrov. Representatives of the city authorities and the clergy came to honor the memory of the dead.
The plane of the Russian Ministry of Defense Tu-154, carrying 84 passengers and eight crew members, crashed on the morning of December 25 in the Black Sea. The wreckage of the plane was found 1.5 km from the coast near Sochi at a depth of 50-70 meters. Among them are journalists from Channel One, NTV and the Zvezda TV channel. Also on board was the head of the International Public Organization "Fair Aid" Elizaveta Glinka. Most of the passengers were artists of the Song and Dance Ensemble of the Russian Army named after A.V. Aleksandrov.
The collapse of morals: how Ukrainians react to the Tu-154 crash. The crash of a plane of the Russian Ministry of Defense, which was heading to Syria, caused a mixed reaction among Ukrainians. The country's top leadership has so far refrained from commenting, and the media and social media users are actively discussing the tragedy - and often in the most impartial manner. The opinions of Ukrainian citizens and officials differ: some do not hide their gloating and call the tragedy "God's punishment", others bring flowers to the building of the Russian embassy in Ukraine and condemn officials for being too rude and boorish statements. December 26 was declared a day of mourning in Russia in connection with the Tu-154 crash in Sochi, which killed 84 passengers and eight crew members. International leaders expressed their condolences to Russia, people bring flowers and candles to the building of the Alexandrov Ensemble, the Ostankino television center and the building of the Elizabeth Glinka Foundation. However, Ukrainian officials have not yet commented on the tragedy. For example, on the website and Facebook account of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, only congratulations on Catholic Christmas have been published. Even a day after the tragedy over the Black Sea, not a word about the crash of a Russian plane. Ukrainian officials commenting on the situation in neutral tones are in the minority. “Whether it was a terrorist attack or some kind of aircraft malfunction, I think it’s too early to say. In any case, I do not like only the fact that, indeed, the Russian ambassador to Turkey died recently under well-known circumstances - and today the plane. This may have certain consequences for the world community,” Head of the SBU Vasily Hrytsak said on the air of the 112 Ukraine TV channel. But the “weighted” statements of Ukrainian officials about the Tu-154 crash are rather an exception. Ukrainian officials, commenting on the tragedy over the Black Sea, do not hide their gloating. One of the most scandalous was the opinion of Yuri Biryukov, Poroshenko’s adviser. He apparently decided “witty” link the death of a Russian military aircraft and another tragedy - the fatal poisoning of dozens of people in Irkutsk. On his Facebook page, the official wrote: “The plane of the Russian Defense Ministry crashed ... There was only one desire - to take a bottle of Hawthorn to the embassy of the horde.” Ukrainian parliamentarians did not stand aside either. The non-factional people's deputy, the country's representative in PACE, Borislav Bereza, admitted that he was "not happy and not upset" because of the crash of the Russian plane. The official explained his position as follows: Tu-154 passengers "flew to entertain" the Russian military in Syria, who allegedly "destroyed Donbass infrastructure. “I am not happy about the crash of a Russian plane and the death of its passengers. But I don't get upset either. They flew to entertain and film the Russian military. It is quite possible that those who previously killed Ukrainians in Donbass tortured our citizens, destroyed infrastructure, and then moved to Syria,” he wrote on his Facebook page. And the mayor of Dnipro (Dnepropetrovsk) and a close associate of the oligarch Igor Kolomoisky, Boris Filatov, went even further. He rejoiced at the death of the passengers on board the Tu-154, writing on Facebook that "instead of celebrating the liberation of Aleppo," the musicians and the military "will be in hell." Not everyone is gloating It is noteworthy that many subscribers of Biryukov, Beryoza and Filatov fully agree with their statements - the posts of Ukrainian politicians on Facebook have collected hundreds of comments. But there are those who express sympathy for the tragedy and accuse Ukrainian officials of inhumanity. hospital. What did Biryukov do good for Ukraine?” “A disgrace,” Andriy Zhbanov comments. - Only a moral freak and a bastard can rejoice in the death of another person. This will definitely not be welcomed anywhere in the world.” “Sane people will take it with compassion, in a Christian way, and will not arrange a sabbath on the bones. Unfortunately, Biryukov, you lack sanity, as well as Christian morality, ”concludes another subscriber. Some subscribers of Borislav Bereza, in response to his attack, questioned the mental health of the Ukrainian politician. . You don’t have sympathy for the reasons given, you don’t have it simply because you are mentally not quite healthy, ”concluded the user under the nickname Dima Spb. “Borislav, you can’t hate a nation,” Igor Kyiv comments on Bereza’s post. - Imagine that in Europe they will know your reaction as the official representative of Ukraine in PACE. You spoke very short-sightedly." Ukrainian officials were also accused of being "non-European" and that they were "lost in cruelty." Flowers are brought to the Russian embassy in Ukraine, lamps are lit there and notes are left. Many, including well-known Kievans, write words of condolence to the victims of the tragedy. “Ukrainians mourn together with the Russians for those who died in a plane crash over the Black Sea. And this pure-hearted reaction best of all reflects the closeness of our peoples, it demonstrates that the attempts of the representatives of the “war party” to provoke enmity, to sow the seeds of discord and hatred turned out to be futile. Ukrainians and Russians were, are and will forever remain fraternal peoples. In such tragic moments it becomes obvious. I offer my condolences to the families and friends of the victims. On my own behalf, on behalf of the Public Movement "Ukrainian Choice - People's Right", on behalf of millions of Ukrainians who today mourn the irreparable loss," politician Viktor Medvedchuk wrote on Facebook. Former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Spiridon Kilinkarov also expressed his sympathy and condolences. “Tu-154. Tragedy, grief, irreparable loss - the sky took the talented, the sky took the best! Our condolences to the families and friends of the victims,” he wrote on his Facebook. “A terrible tragedy near Sochi. Sincere condolences to family and friends, as well as to all Russians! Bright and eternal memory...”, - adds the ex-deputy Irina Berezhnaya.
Russian officials also reacted to the statements of Ukrainian officials. The official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, indicated that the reason for such a reaction is that “people supported by nationalists and radicals” are in power in Ukraine. “Do we not understand the reasons why official Kyiv rejoices at the death of 80 military personnel?! We understand these reasons very well and have been talking about them for a long time: in Ukraine, people came to power supported by nationalists and radicals. That's all the reasons. They are now understood not only by us, ”Zakharova wrote on her Facebook page. Condemned the statements of Ukrainian officials and the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov. “But there are those who openly gloat over the death of innocent people. In Kyiv, ordinary people carry flowers to the building of our diplomatic mission, and officials carry "Hawthorn". The purpose of their vicious attacks is to unleash wars, destroy states, kill millions of people,” he commented on Instagram. And Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian government Dmitry Rogozin, commenting on the attack of Poroshenko's adviser, called him a "moral freak." “Poroshenko’s adviser is mocking… The souls of these moral freaks have long been poisoned by the “hawthorn of Russophobia.” Nothing sacred,” Rogozin wrote on his Twitter.
December 26 was declared a day of mourning in Russia in connection with the Tu-154 crash in Sochi, which killed 84 passengers and eight crew members. International leaders expressed their condolences to Russia, people bring flowers and candles to the building of the Alexandrov Ensemble, the Ostankino television center and the building of the Elizabeth Glinka Foundation.
However, Ukrainian officials have not yet commented on the tragedy.
For example, on the website and in the Facebook account of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, only a congratulation on Catholic Christmas was published. Even a day after the tragedy over the Black Sea, not a word about the crash of the Russian plane.
Ukrainian officials who comment on the situation in neutral tones are in the minority.
“Whether it was a terrorist attack or some kind of aircraft malfunction, I think it’s too early to say. In any case, the only thing I don’t like is the fact that, indeed, the Russian ambassador to Turkey died recently under well-known circumstances - and today the plane. This may have certain consequences for the world community, ”SBU head Vasily Hrytsak said on the air of the 112 Ukraine TV channel.
But the “weighted” statements of Ukrainian officials about the Tu-154 crash are rather an exception.
Ukrainian officials, commenting on the tragedy over the Black Sea, do not hide their gloating.
One of the most scandalous was the opinion of Yuri Biryukov, Poroshenko's adviser.
He apparently decided to "witty" link the death of a Russian military aircraft and another tragedy - the fatal poisoning of dozens of people in Irkutsk. On his Facebook page, the official wrote: “The plane of the Russian Defense Ministry crashed ... There was only one desire - to take a bottle of Hawthorn to the embassy of the horde.
The Ukrainian parliamentarians did not stand aside either. The non-factional people's deputy, the country's representative in PACE, Borislav Bereza, admitted that he was "not happy and not upset" because of the crash of the Russian plane.
The official explained his position as follows: Tu-154 passengers "flew to entertain" the Russian military in Syria, who allegedly "destroyed the infrastructure of Donbass."
“I am not happy about the crash of a Russian plane and the death of its passengers. But I don't get upset either. They flew to entertain and film the Russian military. It is quite possible that those who previously killed Ukrainians in Donbass tortured our citizens, destroyed infrastructure, and then moved to Syria,” he wrote on his Facebook page.
And the mayor of Dnipro (Dnepropetrovsk) and a close associate of the oligarch Igor Kolomoisky, Boris Filatov, went even further. He rejoiced at the death of the passengers on board the Tu-154, writing on Facebook that "instead of celebrating the liberation of Aleppo," the musicians and the military "will be in hell."
Not everyone is gloating
It is noteworthy that many subscribers of Biryukov, Bereza and Filatov fully agree with their statements - the posts of Ukrainian politicians on Facebook have collected hundreds of comments. But there are those who express sympathy for the tragedy and accuse Ukrainian officials of inhumanity.
In the comments under Poroshenko's adviser's post, user Peter Efimov reminded the Ukrainian official:
“Dr. Liza, who died in a plane crash, founded the first hospice at the Oncological Hospital in Kyiv in 1999. What did Biryukov do good for Ukraine?”
“A disgrace,” Andrey Zhbanov comments. - Only a moral freak and a bastard can rejoice in the death of another person. This will definitely not be welcomed anywhere in the world.”
“Sane people will take it with compassion, in a Christian way, and will not arrange a sabbath on the bones. Unfortunately, Biryukov, you lack sanity, as well as Christian morality, ”concludes another subscriber.
Some subscribers of Borislav Bereza, in response to his attack, questioned the mental health of the Ukrainian politician.
“Make some idiotic assumption that “it’s probably possible that such people flew there,” and, based on your ridiculous conjecture, develop some kind of schizo theory about the reasons for the lack of compassion. You don’t have sympathy for the reasons given, you don’t have it simply because you are mentally not quite healthy, ”concluded the user under the nickname Dima Spb.
“Borislav, you can’t hate a nation,” Igor Kyiv comments on Bereza’s post. - Imagine that in Europe they will know your reaction as the official representative of Ukraine in PACE. You spoke very short-sightedly."
Ukrainian officials were also accused of being "non-European" and that they were "lost in cruelty."
Flowers are brought to the Russian embassy in Ukraine, lamps are lit there and notes are left. Many, including well-known Kievans, write words of condolence to the victims of the tragedy.
“Ukrainians mourn together with the Russians for those who died in a plane crash over the Black Sea. And this pure-hearted reaction best of all reflects the closeness of our peoples, it demonstrates that the attempts of the representatives of the “war party” to provoke enmity, to sow the seeds of discord and hatred turned out to be futile. Ukrainians and Russians were, are and will forever remain fraternal peoples. In such tragic moments it becomes obvious. I offer my condolences to the families and friends of the victims. On my own behalf, on behalf of the Public Movement “Ukrainian Choice – Right of the People”, on behalf of millions of Ukrainians who today mourn the irreparable loss,” politician Viktor Medvedchuk wrote on Facebook.
Former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Spiridon Kilinkarov also expressed his sympathy and condolences.
"Tu-154. Tragedy, grief, irreparable loss - the sky took the talented, the sky took the best! Our condolences to the families and friends of the victims,” he wrote on his Facebook.
“A terrible tragedy near Sochi. Sincere condolences to family and friends, as well as to all Russians! Bright and eternal memory...,” adds ex-deputy Irina Berezhnaya.
Russian officials also reacted to the statements of Ukrainian officials. The official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, pointed out that the reason for such a reaction is that “people supported by nationalists and radicals” are in power in Ukraine.
“We don’t understand the reasons why official Kyiv rejoices at the death of 80 servicemen?! We understand these reasons very well and have been talking about them for a long time: in Ukraine, people came to power supported by nationalists and radicals. That's all the reasons. They are now understood not only by us, ”Zakharova wrote on her Facebook page.
Condemned the statements of Ukrainian officials and the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov. “But there are those who openly gloat over the death of innocent people. In Kyiv, ordinary people carry flowers to the building of our diplomatic mission, and officials carry "Hawthorn". The purpose of their vicious attacks is to unleash wars, destroy states, kill millions of people, ”he commented on Instagram.
And Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian government Dmitry Rogozin, commenting on the attack of Poroshenko's adviser, called him a "moral freak."
“Poroshenko’s adviser is mocking… The souls of these moral freaks have long been poisoned by the “hawthorn of Russophobia.” Nothing sacred,” Rogozin wrote on his Twitter.
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