Blood pressure in the morning 120/80 in the evening 130/90
In fact, the uniqueness of neurotic disorders lies in the fact that their external (visible) manifestations can resemble the signs of almost any disease. Neurosis is a neuropsychic disorder that is caused primarily by traumatic circumstances.
Very often, with neurosis there are so-called - autonomic disorders. They are called differently: vegetative-vascular dystonia or VSD, neurocirculatory dystonia (NCD), somatoform autonomic dysfunction(SVD), vegetosis, angioneurosis, cardiac neurosis (cardioneurosis or cardiophobia), anxiety-neurotic syndrome, etc.
Autonomic disorders in neuroses can be of two types. With the first type, there may be following symptoms: increased heart rate, increased blood pressure, paleness and dryness skin, decreased salivation and dry mouth, “goose bumps”, a tendency to increase body temperature, chilliness of the extremities, etc. “VSD” of the second type is characterized by a slower pulse, lowered blood pressure, increased salivation, increased intestinal motility, and reddening of the skin.
External manifestations of neurosis, in practice, may resemble signs various diseases, but at the same time - neurosis is not accompanied by damage internal organs person. It may last for many years, but it is always a reversible disorder. In our psychotherapeutic practice, it refers to borderline states and never leads to the development of mental disorders. This is a reversible reaction of the individual to some kind of traumatic situation.
Treatment of neuroses must be psychotherapeutic and comprehensive. Drug treatment for neuroses is usually of secondary importance.
Psychotherapy is a special type of treatment in which assistance is provided through psychological means in solving problems and difficulties of a psychological nature.
Psychotherapy does not set itself the goal of eliminating serious mental illness, it’s more of a practical help in solving life’s problems. Without such help, over time, a neurotic disorder can take on a chronic form.
The main goal of psychotherapy is to restore mental health. The goal of psychotherapeutic work is to help a person understand the meaning of what determines his behavior, feelings, thoughts and try to change ineffective reactions using psychological means. Currently, the latest, unique and very powerful psychological techniques, existential, narrative, cognitive behavioral therapy, etc., are being successfully used.
The most necessary thing in the treatment of neurosis is the desire of the person himself to cope with his problems. The task of a psychotherapist, as effectively and unobtrusively as possible, is to help a person move along the path of overcoming neurotic disorder, in the right and right direction!
I often feel like I’m going to lose consciousness. What to do?
Vegetovascular dystonia: symptoms
Symptoms of VSD usually include headaches, weakness, fainting, or fainting states, tinnitus, fainting, drowsiness. Dizziness is also common with VSD. People with vegetos vascular dystonia They quickly turn pale and red, react sensitively to weather changes, and sweat more. Often with VSD, rapid heartbeat and changes in body temperature are observed (especially when vegeto vascular dystonia with impaired thermoregulation). Symptoms of vegetative-vascular dystonia can appear constantly or occasionally, depending on the degree of the disease. As medical studies show, the constant manifestation of VSD symptoms occurs, as a rule, in people with congenital instability nervous system.
Manifestations of vegetative-vascular dystonia can be frequent and insignificant, but can cause fainting and panic attacks. In the second case, we can talk about the serious development of VSD and the need for treatment of vegetative-vascular dystonia. Unfortunately, crises (attacks of vegetative-vascular dystonia, panic attacks, phobias) to one degree or another occur quite often. It can be said that panic attacks- these are constant satellites of the VSD.
Doctors do not consider VSD an independent disease, but consider VSD symptoms as a consequence various violations in organism. The most common cause of vegetative-vascular dystonia today is overwork, stress and a signal that the body has diseases that require professional treatment.
When treating vegetative vascular dystonia, it should be taken into account that any manifestation of VSD is a poor interaction between vascular and autonomic system, in which neural structures that regulate emotions play a crucial role.
How to cure vegetative vascular dystonia?
* Treatment of vegetative vascular dystonia can be quite effective folk remedies: in particular, infusions for cleansing blood vessels, cardiac infusions. There is a lot of information about this on various VSD forums. Treatment of vegetative vascular dystonia with herbs (hawthorn, motherwort, etc.) also refers to traditional treatment vegetative vascular dystonia and are only auxiliary in nature. Treatment of vegetative-vascular dystonia with folk remedies in practice does not provide recovery, but has a beneficial effect on the body.
and then you’ll figure out what to do yourself (=
If physiological reason then just go to the doctor, and carry ammonia with you in a small jar, it brings you to your senses
In general, you need to measure your blood pressure. And when such a condition appears unexpectedly, it is better to sit down and not make sudden movements.
Medical question
Neurologist ⇒ Feeling of loss of consciousness
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Please comment on the results.
When I did the ECG and EEG I was very worried.
ECG: sinus rhythm, vertical EOS position, heart rate 76 in 1!
Installation: 8 channel chain.
The background EEG is represented by an insufficiently regular alpha rhythm, disorganized in amplitude, not modulated into spindles, slightly pointed, amplitude domkV, frequency 9-10 counts/sec. Zonal differences in the alpha rhythm are preserved.
Slow activity of the theta range is represented by individual waves and short groups of waves with an amplitude of up to 30 µV, a frequency of 4-7 counts/sec, mainly in the frontal-immune-central regions of the brain without signs of lateralization.
Beta activity is moderately expressed, the amplitude of microvolts predominates in the frontotemporal regions of the brain.
The reaction to opening and closing the eyes is preserved.
Hyperventilation causes increased index and amplitude slow activity theta range periodically in the form of short bursts of theta waves in the frontotemporal central regions. brain amplitude domkv, frequency 4-7 counts/sec with a tendency to bilateral synchronous generalization across the region. brain
Conclusion: moderate changes EEG according to the type of disorganization of the cortical rhythm with a predominance of alpha activity. The nature of the EEG may indicate dysfunction of the midline nonspecific regulatory structures of the brain at the diencephalic level.
No focal or epileptic forms of activity were identified.
Yes, I forgot to mention some little things. The headache is very rare, sometimes once every 2-3 months it hurts very badly in the morning, but I take citramon and it goes away. There is often a feeling of heaviness in the head, a foggy consciousness (in the evening it seems to be getting better, some kind of enlightenment sets in), and in the morning the feeling is as if you are in some kind of bag, the heaviness is mainly in the forehead area, on the neck under ears, also some kind of slight hum in the head (especially audible when you are in silence), lasts quite a long time, sometimes for several days, sometimes I get used to it and don’t notice it. The same hum was there when they did the EEG. Hemoglobin - 136, pressure mostly 120/70, pulse beats per minute, weight 48 kg. The worst thing is that it’s as if you’re constantly waiting for it to get dark in your eyes again, and you don’t know how it might end, I’m afraid to go out somewhere alone, I’m mostly at home, because... The work involves a computer. I occasionally take sedatives, although not regularly. I also take L-thyroxine (dose 50) every morning, because... thyroid nodule and TSH-6.7. In 2002, she was operated on for a nodule on the thyroid gland (benign), but after the operation there was a recurrence.
If I’m busy with something, I don’t seem to notice this state, but in a calm state I begin to think, wait for the next darkening in my eyes.
Please advise how to get out of this state. Thank you.
Please answer, I’m very worried, is there something serious?
I've already read all sorts of things on the Internet. Maybe I'm starting to develop multiple sclerosis?
Or maybe a nodule on the thyroid gland puts pressure on the blood vessels (I had a relapse after surgery), but there is no pain.
My body temperature in the morning is 35.3 and in the evening it can rise to 36.2. Then I feel fine. And all day long I walk around as if in a fog, noise in my head (slight humming).
My blood pressure is always normal, my pulse is normal. Maybe it’s because I don’t eat enough?
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Fedorenko Galina Alexandrovna
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I'm actually worried. I'm worried that it might be a tumor in my head. and who will raise the child(((
Tatyana, this is not the right place to see a psychiatrist.
First, to a neurologist, then to everyone else, for the purity of the experiment.
Submit tumor markers. They detect tumors even at very early stages.
If everything is clear, go to a psychoanalyst, look for the underlying causes of your problems, find them, and everything will be solved.
Fedorenko Galina Aleksandrovna, psychoanalyst, art therapist, Moscow
Kasparova Ksenia Vladimirovna
You can ask other psychologists a question
I agree with my colleague that you first need to be examined by a neurologist, maybe get a tomogram of the brain vessels.
You can also do examinations with those specialists you consider necessary to go to.
But, judging by the symptoms that you describe, this looks like psychosomatics.
There are some experiences, feelings, internal conflicts that cannot be realized and felt. For example, hostile feelings. There is a taboo on them deep down! You can't be angry, you can't be annoyed, you can't be jealous - it's bad!
But since the feelings and experiences themselves cannot be eliminated by simple taboos, they break out! And then the body takes on the function of the psyche, it begins to live and experience different feelings. That’s why my heart is pounding and my head is spinning.
Psychotherapy helps to establish lost connections between the body and the psyche, to decipher the messages that the body, in the form of symptoms, tries in vain to convey to its owner.
Psychotherapy, that is, conversation therapy, goes well with drug treatment, one does not cancel or contradict the other.
Tatyana, the feelings I wrote about are not necessarily yours. I just cited them as an example to make it clear how exactly the mechanism of psychosomatic symptoms works.
In the process of psychotherapy, a person gradually begins to better understand himself, listen to his states and experiences, understand what exactly such a strong reaction occurs to and how to cope with it. Over time, the need for the body to experience everything disappears; this function, as nature intended, is taken over by the psyche.
Kasparova Ksenia Vladimirovna, psychologist in Moscow
Dizziness, feeling of emptiness in the head, feeling of loss of consciousness.
Please tell me what this could be. Can you advise medicines improving brain activity and cerebral circulation.
I have hypertension, but I’ve had it since school (now my blood pressure is somewhere around 140×95, 140×90, 130×90 in the morning, maybe 125×85 and 120×80) and it doesn’t particularly bother me.
My age is 29 years old, gender is male
Good afternoon. About a week ago, an incomprehensible feeling began in my head: dizziness, but not that objects were spinning around, but as if they were vibrating, as if my brain was switching off, the feeling that I would faint and lose consciousness. In the first 2-3 days this bothered me especially strongly; before going to bed, when I closed my eyes, I even felt like I was dizzy, I felt slightly nauseous, and when I opened my eyes it became easier - against this background, the fear and worry that it would never end increased. In the following days, these phenomena were not so pronounced, but if you start trying to work mentally, then these symptoms begin again, but if you rest more (take a walk in the park, lie down, etc.), then these symptoms noticeably decrease. In recent months there has been intense mental activity (I also had to work a lot on the computer). Did general analysis blood, as well as biochemistry (cholesterol, glucose, iron) - everything is normal, including hemoglobin and serum iron and glucose.
Please tell me what this could be. Can you recommend medications that improve brain activity and cerebral circulation.
I have hypertension, but I’ve had it since school (now my blood pressure is somewhere around 140×95, 140×90, 130×90 in the morning, maybe 125×85 and 120×80) and it doesn’t particularly bother me.
My age is 29 years old, gender is male
Good afternoon. About a week ago, an incomprehensible feeling began in my head: dizziness, but not that objects were spinning around, but as if they were vibrating, as if my brain was switching off, the feeling that I would faint and lose consciousness. In the first 2-3 days this bothered me especially strongly; before going to bed, when I closed my eyes, I even felt like I was dizzy, I felt slightly nauseous, and when I opened my eyes it became easier - against this background, the fear and worry that it would never end increased. In the following days, these phenomena were not so pronounced, but if you start trying to work mentally, then these symptoms begin again, but if you rest more (take a walk in the park, lie down, etc.), then these symptoms noticeably decrease. In recent months there has been intense mental activity (I also had to work a lot on the computer). I did a general blood test, as well as biochemistry (cholesterol, glucose, iron) - everything was normal, including hemoglobin and serum iron and glucose.
Please tell me what this could be. Can you recommend medications that improve brain activity and cerebral circulation.
I have hypertension, but I’ve had it since school (now my blood pressure is somewhere around 140×95, 140×90, 130×90 in the morning, maybe 125×85 and 120×80) and it doesn’t particularly bother me.
My age is 29 years old, gender is male
VSD by hypertensive type They put it when nothing is clear anywhere. For doctors working with the spine, everything is very clear. Contact osteopaths.
MR picture is moderate external hydrocephalus. Availability data pathological changes no focal nature was detected in the brain matter.
MRA picture of the variant development of the circle of Willis in the form of lack of visualization of blood flow along the left posterior communicating artery. MR picture of S-shaped tortuosity of the prepetrosal segment of the left inner carotid artery. MR signs of decreased blood flow /depletion due to a decrease in the intensity of the MR signal and narrowing of arterial diameters/ peripheral parts posterior cerebral arteries. MRA did not reveal any evidence for the presence of arteriovenous malformations, aneurysmal dilatation, or pathological stenotic narrowing of the intracranial arteries.
MRI picture of the initial dystrophic changes cervical region spine (chondrosis); dorsal protrusion of the C4/5 disc.
1. Betaminal 1 tablet at night for 2 months
2. Actovigil 2 tablets for 10 days
3. Injections intramuscularly in the morning Mexidol (2 mg) for 10 days and Cerepro (4 mg) also for 10 days, but alternate them i.e. day Meskidol on the next day. Cerepro day, etc.
5. Antisten 1 tablet 2 times a day for 2 months
Good afternoon. I did an MRI of the brain, cerebral arteries and cervical vessels. I’ll write a fairly detailed description of everything, only a conclusion (if you need a detailed one, I’ll post it).
MR picture of moderate external hydrocephalus. There was no evidence of the presence of pathological changes of a focal nature in the brain substance.
MRA picture of the variant development of the circle of Willis in the form of lack of visualization of blood flow along the left posterior communicating artery. MR picture of S-shaped tortuosity of the prepetrosal segment of the left internal carotid artery. MR signs of decreased blood flow / depletion due to a decrease in the intensity of the MR signal and narrowing of the diameters of the arteries / peripheral parts of the posterior cerebral arteries. MRA did not reveal any evidence for the presence of arteriovenous malformations, aneurysmal dilatation, or pathological stenotic narrowing of the intracranial arteries.
MRI picture of initial degenerative changes in the cervical spine (chondrosis); dorsal protrusion of the C4/5 disc.
1. Betaminal 1 tablet at night for 2 months
2. Actovigil 2 tablets for 10 days
3. Injections intramuscularly in the morning Mexidol (2 mg) for 10 days and Cerepro (4 mg) also for 10 days, but alternate them i.e. day Meskidol on the next day. Cerepro day, etc.
5. Antisten 1 tablet 2 times a day for 2 months
I'm waiting for your messages. I have not started treatment yet because... I have a cold and don’t want to interfere with my medication. drugs. Now there seems to be no dizziness, but during the day such attacks appear in the head - as if the brain turns off for milliseconds (difficult to describe) or this can happen - for example, you sit and move your arm (leg, head, etc.) to the side as usual and in the process of this you understand that some part of the movement was not controlled, you can also compare these sensations as if you had slept little for several days and in your head, I think everyone noticed a feeling of specific failures like this and for me the sensation is only more pronounced and they are lightning fast . If you hold your head with your hand or lightly tap it, then such attacks become less frequent. What is this, I’m very afraid that something very serious has gone wrong in my head?
As for the prescriptions, they are made professionally and accurately correspond to the diagnosis. Regarding the issue of MRI examination of the vessels (arteries) of the brain, the attached file does not open and is sent to the games website. Judging by the conclusion, I can note that this is indeed the case structural changes vessels (lack of visualization of blood flow along the left posterior communicating artery; narrowing of arterial diameters/peripheral parts of the posterior cerebral arteries). In other words, a development option or a consequence of vascular damage. You must follow your doctor's instructions and drive with caution. The consultation with a neurosurgeon was helpful.
Thanks for the answer. I am posting pictures from the MRI, download link
Hello. I’m 25 years old because of my job I have to travel a lot in a car, driving for 3 days and work on a computer almost every day. About 6 months ago I started feeling nauseous in the car, but it happened 3 times a week, then everything returned to normal and I forgot about it , after this, after 2 months, my blood pressure rose and unpleasant sensations began to appear in my head, where the back of my head is, I can’t even explain what they were. After two days, everything went away. And again, a week ago, after a business trip, I came home, went to the store, and I felt like something was wrong with me. not good, I’m generally a terrible coward, I was impressed in a second that I was losing consciousness, I felt my pulse rise, but my head didn’t spin, but my eyes darkened, I flew out into the air and moved away. You can feel the tension in your neck moving into your head exactly where the neck ends.
Thank you very much for the information!
Hello. I am 23 years old. About six months ago I began to experience dizziness, a feeling of losing consciousness for a split second, a feeling of dispersion, and memory loss. Tell me, please, what can it be.
Sincerely, doctor Elena Andreevna Chernenko
Good afternoon. About a week ago, an incomprehensible feeling began in my head: dizziness, but not that objects were spinning around, but as if they were vibrating, as if my brain was switching off, the feeling that I would faint and lose consciousness. In the first 2-3 days this bothered me especially strongly; before going to bed, when I closed my eyes, I even felt like I was dizzy, I felt slightly nauseous, and when I opened my eyes it became easier - against this background, the fear and worry that it would never end increased. In the following days, these phenomena were not so pronounced, but if you start trying to work mentally, then these symptoms begin again, but if you rest more (take a walk in the park, lie down, etc.), then these symptoms noticeably decrease. In recent months there has been intense mental activity (I also had to work a lot on the computer). I did a general blood test, as well as biochemistry (cholesterol, glucose, iron) - everything was normal, including hemoglobin and serum iron and glucose.
Please tell me what this could be. Can you recommend medications that improve brain activity and cerebral circulation.
I have hypertension, but I’ve had it since school (now my blood pressure is somewhere around 140×95, 140×90, 130×90 in the morning, maybe 125×85 and 120×80) and it doesn’t particularly bother me.
My age is 29 years old, gender is male
Today my daughter complained to me about the same thing and said that every time she goes to bed she gets dizzy. She is only 9 years old. What to do?
SCT of the brain: CT signs of dyscirculatory encelopathy, external atrophic hydrocephalus.
Based on examinations, the neurologist diagnosed: Cervical osteochondrosis, Neurovascular syndrome.
Prescriptions: Cerebralysin i/v 5 mg/10 days, Vesticap 48 mg * 1 r/d for 1 month, Cerucal i/m for nausea, Diacarb 1 t * 2 r/d 2 days a week, Panangin 1 t * 1 r/d when taking Diacarb and Fevarin 50 mg according to the scheme: 1/2 t at night for 7-10 days, 1 t at night for 7-10 days, 1/2 t in the morning and 1 t in the evening for 7-10 days, 1 t in the morning and 1 t in the evening for 7-10 days and reduce Also.
I am completing the course, but I still have attacks. Why am I prescribed fevarin? The doctor didn’t explain at the appointment, and I can’t get an appointment with this doctor in the near future.
At about 10 years old, then in 11th grade before entering the university, there was a woman’s voice in my head, saying something, at first slowly, then faster and faster, as if in rewind, it was very unnerving and scary, I immediately began to breathe fresh air and just drank a glass of water, and cried, and forced myself to sleep, sleep best medicine for the nerves. its OK now. but this situation began to repeat itself for my sister, the symptoms are the same, only she has no voices. She’s really more irritable than I was, and a bit rude in her interactions, but everything’s ok. what could it be? What is the diagnosis? Unfortunately, we turned to many psychologists, but they did not help, and we have not yet reached psychiatrists
Last night, while having dinner, I suddenly began to worry about something, out of nowhere. That everyone was shouting, everyone had just come from work, the TV was loud, a very bright light appeared. As a result, I felt dizzy and a little nauseous. She went into the room and calmed down.
I decided to drink 20 drops of valerian. I am 24 years old. And turned on the TV.
Again, a feeling of excitement appeared inside me, I was scared, it was as if I was starting to pound from the inside.
And suddenly I notice that I don’t see the right half of the face of everyone I look at on TV. a faint thread of a multi-colored garland appeared in the eyes, upper right. and I see the full face only if I move my eyes a little to the right.
I know that there are flashes and spots in the eyes. But what happened yesterday scared me very much. I went to the bath and looked at my hands, I really couldn’t see the right half. and I didn’t see part of my face in the mirror. the pupils seemed to me to be constricted. maybe out of fear. I went into the room.
No temperature or pressure surge was detected. Despite everything, my head constantly hurts.
Tell me, please, what can it be. Which doctor should I see? Should I call an ambulance doctor if this happens again?
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8 thoughts that cause panic, 8 ways to neutralize them.
- Please, help! Teach me to live with this terrible thing, rare disease! The doctors don't know what's wrong with me!
Although people suffering from panic attacks often feel like they are the only ones in the whole world who are faced with a similar problem, the thoughts that accompany the course of a panic attack are usually very similar.
I have identified 8 main obsessive thoughts that fuel anxiety and panic attacks.
Panic thought number one - I'm dying of a heart attack!
Although at the time of the attack it may be perceived differently, but.
Our heart is created, among other things, to work under conditions of strong physical and mental stress. Remember our ancestors who chased the wild beast; athletes running the 100-meter dash, or yourself dancing at a disco; the moment when your loved one gives you the first bouquet; soldiers running to attack, or squashed into the ground under a hail of bullets. How many of these people died of heart attacks? And you yourself, who have experienced a panic attack many times, are you now alive or dead? Surely you measured your pulse and blood pressure at the time of PA, what are the numbers? Your heart probably beats more than 100 or even 120 beats per minute, and your blood pressure is 160 or higher.
Such “behavior” of the heart is felt in ordinary circumstances as unnatural.
I’m not under a hail of bullets, I’m not running a 100-meter dash, but it’s beating in my chest like crazy, which means there’s something wrong with it! - You say to yourself. And this thought makes you feel even worse.
In the process of vigorous activity, a person’s attention is concentrated on some goal, and not on pulse and blood pressure. We just don't notice them, and that's normal.
If you visited a cardiologist, the necessary studies were carried out (ECG, ECHO-CG), and the doctor’s report says in black and white: your heart is normal, organic disorders not detected, then at the moment of panic, there is no threat to him.
Panic thought number two - I'm dying of suffocation!
I don’t breathe often, 13 breaths per minute, deep breaths I don’t do it often, although I used to do it. It might start out of nowhere. For three days in a row it started around 8-9 pm. If I don’t get enough sleep, then in the morning I also feel suffocated all day long. That I won’t suffocate, everything will be fine at the moment of suffocation does not work. It's suffocating and that's all.
Feeling like you can't breathe full breasts that your chest is bound by a shell, that there is a lump in your throat, that you are about to suffocate, very unpleasant, but...
They are not harbingers of death! You are no more likely to die from suffocation during a panic attack than at any other time. The reason for these discomfort- in hyperventilation syndrome, which will be discussed in another article.
Panic thought number three - I'm having a stroke!
The PA retreated. And a month ago they returned to me. They plague my life at night. They started for a reason. I work in a hospital and we have opened a vascular neurology department. Seeing a lot of young people, I began to focus on the stroke. And away we go. Every night now I die from a stroke. And today I was informed about the death of classmates and a family friend. And I’m still sitting crying and afraid. About myself: woman, 46 years old. Examined from head to toe.
Your head is spinning, your vision is getting dark, you are out of reality, you don’t understand what’s happening to you?
A natural and normal reaction is to explain what is happening using what you already know, what you once heard about, saw the frightened faces of the narrator and listeners, that Uncle S. staggered, turned purple, began to gasp for air, fell, and had a stroke. Everything that happened to S. is tragic. People get sick and die - this is the natural course of life, but...
Strokes have nothing to do with panic attacks, so you can completely relax on this score! If you have a stroke, you won't be able to run home and call ambulance, call all your relatives, rush around the house and look out the windows waiting for the ambulance to arrive! However, if this bothers you, consult a neurologist.
Panic thought number four - I'm afraid of fainting!
A feeling that something is pressing on me, waves throughout my body, a feeling that my eyes will close on their own and I will faint or die, a feeling of the unreality of what is happening.
Do you often faint?
When you're walking past garages and a bunch of stray dogs jump out, is fainting the best option? When a wild beast chased an ancient man, did he faint? If this were so, would humanity survive? Fainting is not the best solution in a stressful situation.
“Fight or flight” is the body’s response to stress.
The chances of panic causing you to faint are slim to none, but what if it did happen? How bad would that be? End of the world? Worse than death itself? Probably not.
The fear of fainting is worse than fainting itself!
Fear of fainting often occurs in connection with dizziness that accompanies hyperventilation, which in turn is often integral part panic reaction.
I will fall, I will lie in the middle of the street, like a homeless person or a drunkard. What will people think?
What would you think if you saw a person like you fainting?
Panic thought number five - I'm going crazy!
TERRIBLE fear of going crazy (derealization and depersonalization began - “being torn out” from the world, the feeling that it was all a dream, the hands were not mine, the voice was not mine and disgusting, the face was like someone else’s, disgusting).
If you were really going crazy, would you know or worry that you were going crazy?
You already know that anxiety, panic or the fight-or-flight response - natural mechanism! And if you don’t drive this thought away, but live it, then to your surprise it will “torment” you less and less each time.
Remember in Carlson: “I have a buzzing buzzing in both ears! A-la-la-la-la-la-la, a-la-la-la-la-la-la... la, and I’m gone crazy... What a shame."
Panic thought number six - I'm losing control!
When an anxiety attack occurs, it can feel like a loss of control.
All that has happened is that control has passed from your conscious to your unconscious, so that everything is still under control, but in a different way.
Panic thought number seven - I'm so weak that I can't move or I might fall!
Out of the blue, attacks of fear arise, sometimes it seems that I’m just going to lose consciousness, I feel dizzy, my hands are shaking, weakness sets in, my heart jumps out of my chest, I want to jump up and run, but I’m afraid to move.
The feeling of weakness is caused by the shaking and dizziness that often accompany panic attacks. In fact, at the moment of panic, you become physically stronger, not weaker, than at any other time, since blood rushes to the mice and they are saturated with oxygen. This prepares the body for the “fight or flight” response.
Panic thought number eight - I'm sure I'm going to get into an awkward position!
How often have you actually felt humiliated or embarrassed as a result of a panic attack? If this happened, was it really as terrible as you imagine?
Panic is a short-term natural reaction. And what is natural is not ugly! (WITH)
If you have panic attacks, then you can be sure that your fight or flight response is in good working order!
Remember! If a patient really wants to live, doctors are powerless (Faina Ranevskaya).
With uv. Litvinova Oksana Nikolaevna, clinical psychologist, consultant.
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Tell me, I can’t sleep for the second night, I’m all on my nerves, apparently an exacerbation of neurosis. I go to bed, relax and begin to fall asleep (as if I’m losing consciousness), with wild fear, I can’t calm down for hours... I drank a bunch of sedative tinctures. I'm terrified of falling asleep, I can't pull myself together.
There is a package of phenazepam, but I’m not sure it will help, it will suddenly increase fear...
Now I’m sitting and shaking, I understand that I need to calm down and try to fall asleep, but I’m WILDLY scared... What should I do???
Yesterday I went to bed peacefully and suddenly felt very unpleasant condition as if the brain was being squeezed, wild fear also appeared, while the head twitched several times. By morning I somehow fell asleep for 3 hours. And I fell asleep interestingly: I felt pleasant waves throughout my body that relaxed my muscles. Then I didn’t notice how I fell asleep.
take phenazepam, and you won’t notice how you fall asleep. This used to happen to me often, now it’s rare, but accurate. I used to worry about this, lay in bed, afraid to fall asleep. I took tranquilizers a couple of times, the first time I fell asleep and didn’t notice, the second time it didn’t work out that way. I was PA, I was lying down drinking water in small sips, this was to restore hyperventilation breathing, it helped, after 3 hours I fell asleep, I didn’t even notice. and now, if something happens that I fall asleep and panic, then I get up, completely shake off the sleep and go to get distracted - for example, I take chips and sit down in front of the TV. I fall asleep there. The main thing is to wake up completely, when the consciousness is clouded by sleep, then all sorts of bad things happen. but I seem to be in remission, on blood pressure. do you take blood pressure, or what other treatment do you receive?
Try listening to these recordings before bed, it might help.
There you can listen to any of them, just 20 minutes before bed. Plus warm milk with honey helps a lot.
The author, phenezepam, is precisely what relieves fear good drug for stopping PA! Why did you decide this? that it will increase fear? This is also a manifestation of your illness. Fear of medications, fear of fear, etc. By the way, phenazepam alone will not cure you. It's best to consult a doctor.
There was horror at night, my blood pressure jumped, I was shaking, and my head started to feel dizzy. As a result, I took 0.5 mg of phenazepam and fell asleep. While I was falling asleep, I also had several attacks of fear, but they stopped immediately.
I think that from the overload of the nervous system, my brain turned off faster than I was ready to fall asleep.
I will definitely contact you, I don’t want to endure this anymore. I’m also thinking about having my neck checked by a neurologist.
Now I tried to sleep and again I felt as if brain impulses were going from my head throughout my body, at the same time fear appeared and I immediately jumped up (without falling asleep). Such impulses are normal. Sometimes they are so strong that they cut off your brain and you are in a strange state.
I had this the day before yesterday, all night. I couldn’t sleep until three in the morning, every time I had these terrible sensations when I fell asleep... I was so tired of twitching. In general, I was patient too, but I still took the pill and started reading. So I fell asleep. The next day I was very afraid to go to bed at all, I thought it would happen again, but somehow it didn’t. I think this is due to overwork and stress (I had it at work). Sometimes this happens to me.
And now there is such a state in my head, as if it is empty, as if it is numb, or as if my hearing is blocked. I'm shaking all over, I can't get this feeling out of my brain. As if weakness in the head and whole body.
No sleep - at least kill yourself. I take sleeping pills extremely rarely, only if I need to get enough sleep before a big day.
When I fall asleep and begin to fall asleep, I flinch from what is in the area solar plexus a sharp spasm occurs, and this sometimes happens throughout the night, sometimes I wake up and can’t understand what to do, how to breathe, whether to exhale or inhale, the condition is terrible, as a result, tachycardia begins to wobble, everything is shaking as if there were chills, pressure up to 150 I’m getting there, I’m suffocating... I’m saving myself by drinking Corvalol and then hot tea with honey, a hot water bottle at my feet, this somehow distracts me and I’m slowly calming down, for the second week now almost every other night I’ve had this kind of bullshit... I don’t know what’s next...
Maybe you are just simply getting sick?...
I usually have similar symptoms before a cold or flu.
Now that the moon is full, I generally fall asleep at about three in the morning.
No sleep - at least kill yourself. I take sleeping pills extremely rarely, only if I need to get enough sleep before a big day.
I have had a fever in the evenings for a week after tooth extraction, maybe it gives such an effect (or vice versa - the temperature is at nervous soil). But usually when I have a fever, I always want to sleep.
It happens to me too, I want to sleep, but I can’t, as if I’m very tired. My husband says that this doesn’t happen, if you want to sleep, you’ll fall asleep. Sometimes you fall asleep and immediately jump up, and it’s hard to breathe. True, now this doesn’t happen often.
Today I had an ultrasound of the vessels of the neck and head; the venous outflow was disrupted. I will continue to look for the reasons for this condition. Today I want to sleep all day, I slept during the day and my eyes are still sticking together. The main thing is that for the last two nights I’ve been sleeping normally, there are no fears, it’s unclear where they come from so suddenly and just disappear.
If the venous outflow and other disturbances are disrupted, this leads to many problems... insomnia, different sensations, fears. I have the same situation, I need to do exercise therapy or yoga, or massage, then the symptoms will subside. An orthopedic pillow also helps. If you fall asleep in the wrong position, the outflow is disrupted even more, hence Pa arises.
Why in a dream you feel as if you are falling into an abyss August 20th, 2014
Have you ever, when falling asleep, felt as if you were falling into a bottomless abyss, sometimes accompanied by a sharp start and awakening? I don't remember the last time I had this. By folk superstition this means “you are the one growing” :-)
What's really happening?
This is a completely normal phenomenon that happens to most people from time to time. Experts believe that one of the main reasons for this phenomenon is unstable sleep patterns, and this is explained by a very interesting effect.
At the stage of the so-called REM sleep“our muscles enter a state called atony. In essence, all of them, excluding the muscles of the eyes and the muscles associated with respiratory system, are temporarily paralyzed. The brain blocks signals normally sent to the muscular system. This phenomenon is characteristic not only of humans, but also of almost all warm-blooded animals.
This explains the immobility of our body at a time when we dream that we are in motion. This is a self-preservation mechanism that undoubtedly brings us great benefit by preventing us from waking ourselves up and providing healthy sleep necessary for rest and recuperation.
When REM sleep ends, our muscles awaken from atonia and the brain returns to the waking state at approximately the same time. However, it happens that the brain awakens a little earlier. That is, we wake up while still in “paralysis.” This phenomenon is called “sleep paralysis” and about 60 percent of people have experienced it at least once in their lives.
Of course, this can cause severe fright, but sleep paralysis usually lasts a very long time. a short time, sometimes so short that we don’t even realize what happened.
This sensation is often described as an intense feeling of fear or even horror, sometimes even as a feeling of separation from one's own body. In some cultures, auditory and visual hallucinations are an element of mythology and are associated with the influence of otherworldly forces, demons, aliens and the like. Some even believe that in this state you can open a “door” to another reality and try to learn to stay in it for as long as possible.
Walking around in a state of “sleep paralysis”, if it happens once, is not a cause for concern, but if it occurs frequently, it may be a symptom of a more serious problem such as narcolepsy, in which case you should definitely consult a doctor. " Sleep paralysis“most often occurs when people are depressed and exhausted, but doctors do not know what the reason is.
It can also occur when falling asleep. Our brain is still partially awake, but our body is already paralyzed. It is this “separation of mind and body” that can cause the overwhelming sensation of falling into an abyss, and is often accompanied by a sharp start that doctors call the “hypnagogic jerk.”
The situation when, falling asleep, you suddenly suddenly come to your senses from the fact that you are falling into the abyss and shudder convulsively, is known to many. Why do we feel like we are falling in our sleep? We tried to find the answer to this question by presenting the results of our research in this article.
Mechanism and phases of sleep
To understand what mechanisms in the brain give rise to feeling of falling when falling asleep, you need to first get an idea of the stages of sleep. American neurophysiologist Nathaniel Kleitman, who measured bioelectric brain waves using an electroencephalograph, identified four stages of sleep:
- falling asleep or dozing. This phase is characterized by muscle relaxation, a decrease in heart rate, slower breathing and metabolic processes, and a decrease in body temperature. Movement eyeball continues, but not actively;
- shallow sleep. All of the above processes become more obvious, the eyes stop moving, and consciousness periodically switches off. A person sleeps lightly and wakes up even from a slight rustle;
- deep dream. This phase can be called the period good sleep, since it is very difficult to wake up the person staying in it. It is at this time that consciousness turns off and we lose control over own body, which sometimes seems to begin to live its own life, walking around the room (attacks of sleepwalking) and activating “sleeping” physiological processes(cases of enuresis). A person is able deep sleep can talk, but the next morning completely forget about it;
- REM sleep, medically called REM sleep (from the combination “rapid eye movement”) - this period is the most paradoxical from a physiological point of view, since it is characterized by complete muscle relaxation (almost paralysis) against the background of high brain activity.
This phase is the time of dreams. Its total duration is about an hour and a half, during which a person sees 4-5 dreams, but, alas, only remembers the last one, and even then not always.
The feeling of falling when falling asleep, causing a start and a return to consciousness, appears in the very first phase, i.e., at the stage of drowsiness. In medicine, this phenomenon is called “hypnagogic jerk” or “hypnagogic twitching”.
Possible causes of “falling” in a dream
Why do we feel like we are falling in our sleep? Why does the brain play a cruel joke on us, unexpectedly snatching us out of Morpheus’s embrace, making us shudder in horror and make our heart beat wildly? We would like to reassure you right away: a hypnagogic jerk is neither a sleep disorder nor a sign of a disease.
Doctors assure: this is a completely normal phenomenon, caused by a minor disruption in the process of falling asleep. There is still no consensus among pundits regarding the causes of hypnagogic twitching. We will present the three most common versions, which equally have the right to exist.
Inconsistency between the brain and body
The first version, regarding why it seems to us that we are falling in a dream, is based on the inconsistency of the actions of the body and brain. While we are awake, our muscle and respiratory activity is controlled by one of the parts of the brain called reticular formation(the second term is the reticular activating system). When falling into sleep, it “turns off”, and its controlling functions pass to another section - the ventrolateral preoptic nucleus.
At this moment, a simultaneous loss of consciousness and muscle relaxation should occur, which doctors call atony (decreased muscle activity, bordering on paralysis). However, sometimes at this stage a malfunction occurs: we suddenly emerge from sleep and regain consciousness, but the muscles do not have time to tone up.
Horror grips us, the brain tries to restore connection with muscular system, sending it an impulse and thereby causing a sharp contraction. We twitch and finally come to our senses. Determine the reasons this phenomenon scientists cannot yet, but they say: if it is not permanent, there is no need to be afraid of hypnagogic twitches.
Heart disorders
In a dream heartbeat slows down significantly, and our “motor” may completely “stall out” for some time. The brain, which controls vital processes even in sleep, begins to take emergency measures, at one moment releasing a shock dose of adrenaline into the blood, triggering the heart muscle. At this moment, we suddenly wake up with a rapid heartbeat and a feeling of horror.
Sometimes something similar happens to healthy people if they sleep on their left side. But if the feeling of falling overtakes you in a different position and repeats regularly, it is better to consult a cardiologist.
Hallucinations triggered by stress
Another explanation for why it seems to us that we are falling in a dream could be hallucinations. Many people consider images that appear in the mind without an external stimulus to be solely a sign mental disorder or a consequence of drug use. This opinion is wrong.
Hallucinations can also occur in the minds of completely healthy and adequate people. It’s just that consciousness sometimes misinterprets certain stimuli, creating false images in our brain. For example, with your peripheral vision you catch a certain figure that resembles big dog, and twitch convulsively in fear. But, turning your head, you see: in front of you is not a dog, but just a heap of garbage, whose outlines are subtly similar to an animal.
In a state of stress, the brain begins to process the information it receives faster, gets tired and makes mistakes more often. Fatigue negatively affects the ability of the mind to make correct conclusions and ultimately leads to the activation of hallucinations. In a dream, under their influence, a false danger signal is formed in the consciousness. It forces the brain to quickly return us to a state of wakefulness through half-sleep, in which we see ourselves falling into the abyss.
There are other versions of why do we feel like we are falling in our sleep?. You can get acquainted with them by watching the video:
To fail anywhere, according to dream books, is not the best good sign, promising failures, blunders and miscalculations in real life. But is everything really that bad? To understand whether you should worry, you need to remember where exactly you fell in your dream, and whether you managed to get out of there. Knowing these details, you will get a clear idea of why such a plot is dreamed of.
Snow trap as a symbol of “labor” difficulties
If in a dream you fall into a snowdrift, then this means that you are taking the wrong steps. The option for implementing the plans that you have in mind is very unsteady, like recently fallen snow, suggests Miss Hasse’s dream book.
Seeing in a dream how someone else falls through the snow, stepping on a snowdrift, is a symbol of unreliability of partners. And if you were able to pull out from under the snow someone who had fallen into a snow trap, then such a vision may mean that only you will be able to cope with the boss’s task.
Fall into the water, or Think about your actions
The interpretation of the dream, which explains why you dream of falling from a bridge into the water while crossing it in a car, according to Pastor Loff’s dream book, looks like this: you have taken on too many responsibilities, they put pressure on you, making it difficult to concentrate on one thing.
Did you dream that you fell into an ice hole or wormwood and were terribly frozen? This vision characterizes you as an indecisive person who gives in to difficulties. Although if in a dream you saw yourself jumping into an icy river to save a person, then the meaning of the dream takes on a different meaning: you are ready to take a risk if this risk has a chance of being justified.
Dirt and off-road
But this is what, according to dream books, a dream about falling into the mud portends - just check first where exactly you fell in the dream:
- swamp - you cannot get out of the “heap” of problems;
- manure - you should stop listening to rumors - they make you mark time;
- puddle - sluggishness will lead you to problems with your manager;
- sand - you cannot make a choice because you strive to “embrace the immensity.”
Fall into the abyss: From betrayal to stupidity
The Chinese dream book, explaining the meaning of a dream in which you fall through the ground into a deep well, predicts the possibility of falling into a trap prepared by your enemies.
Have you seen in a dream how you fell into a cellar dug in the ground not far from your house? This is a signal that there is a traitor in your environment.
But fall through the ground into a hole natural origin: abyss, crevice, volcano crater - a symbol of an accident that you can get into own stupidity. Approach everything wisely, advises Medea’s dream book.
A pit with “filler” is a sign of unpleasant surprises
According to various interpreters, falling into a hole filled with something in a dream is a sign of unexpected events. But the “filler” of the place where you find yourself will tell you what they will be like.
If you dreamed that you fell into a village toilet or toilet pit, this is a sign of unpleasant surprises related to money. However, if in a dream you managed to get out of the toilet practically without getting dirty in shit, then this means that you will be able to solve all financial difficulties without tarnishing your reputation.
The Gypsy interpreter will tell you why you dream of falling into a cesspool with household waste: do not trust rumors, your enemies spread them, trying to confuse you.
Grave “dips”, or “Hello” from the past
Dreams in which you see yourself falling into a grave warn that some unfinished business will cause you a lot of trouble and problems.
Did you dream that you were wandering through a cemetery looking for the tombstone of a friend or relative, and fell into a recently buried grave? Remember whose burial you were looking for, the dream book advises: if this person is alive in reality, then try to stay away from him - he will become the cause of your troubles.
What Miller's dream book warns about
Have you fallen somewhere in your sleep? Find out why you dream about this according to Gustav Miller. Did you dream that you fell into a winter lake after slipping on ice? The dream book warns: you should not take risks, such actions will not be justified.
Why do you dream about a bed falling under the bedroom floor? There's something wrong with you family relationships. And if you dreamed that you were flying down, falling into the basement, and trying to grab onto something, this is a sign of unsuccessful attempts to correct the situation.
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