Why are children denied disability? How will ITU be reformed? Who should I complain about experts to? These questions were answered by Deputy Head of the Ministry of Labor Grigory Lekarev and Deputy Head of the ITU FB Sergey Kozlov

The Ministry of Labor continues to reform the medical system social expertise. The Federal Register of Disabled Persons will soon be created, the requirements for medical experts will change, and public councils will be created for ITU Bureau, audio and video recording of the examination procedure is introduced. Despite the changes, the work of ITU still raises many questions: what kind of help can seriously ill people who have been denied disability receive from the state; what is being done to improve the accessibility of the premises where examinations are carried out; why the number of denials of disability to children has increased, how corruption schemes operate in the ITU, etc.

Reforms of medical and social examination

Grigory Lekarev, Deputy Minister of Labor and social protection RF

During the monitoring, the ministry identified for which diseases the number of refusals to establish disability for children has increased. What is the reason for the increase in refusals?

Medical and social examination is a very complex procedure; it concerns the health and life of a large number of people. Each situation is unique, and the same diagnosis can have completely different effects on quality of life.

The reform of medical and social expertise began back in 2010, when the concept of its improvement and development was adopted. Until 2015, ITU Bureau experts were guided by such criteria as significantly expressed, pronounced and moderately expressed violations. At the same time, how exactly to determine the degree of severity was not prescribed, and almost always the expert made a decision on the disability group based on his professional knowledge and skills, that is, there was a certain amount of subjectivity.

It was to eliminate the subjective approach that the decision was made to develop new classifications and criteria. Their development was initially fraught with the risk that some health conditions would not be clearly defined. Therefore, we agreed with patient and public organizations that, while introducing them, we will jointly monitor their use.

This general monitoring was carried out throughout 2015. And this year we decided to conduct separate monitoring to determine the disability of children in 2015.

The monitoring results showed not only an increase, but also a decrease in the number of refusals to establish disability for certain nosologies.

For example, there used to be more refusals for celiac disease, bronchial asthma, neoplasms and autism spectrum disorders. In 2010-2011, autism was rarely diagnosed at all.

And for diseases such as phenylketonuria, congenital cleft lip and palate, monitoring showed a certain increase in the number of refusals.

This is not due to the fact that the classifications and criteria are somehow incorrect. The fact is that for some diseases they were not spelled out clearly enough, and this allowed some experts to interpret them in a more stringent manner.

In some cases during the monitoring, we had to change the decision; in absolute numbers, this is several dozen people.

Also, when analyzing the situation, we made the necessary changes and clarified the classifications and criteria. Regarding phenylketonuria last changes came into force on August 9. Now experts have a clear guideline that when severe forms disability for this disease should be established.

We are now preparing an order to continue monitoring the decisions of the medical and social examination in order to analyze the practice of 2016.

The Ministry continues to reform the ITU system; a special roadmap has been developed for this purpose. What are the main points in it?

The beginning of the reform was associated with a change in approaches to establishing a disability group, with the development of a unified normative act. The continuation will concern the scientific and methodological support of ITU. After all, new methods and methods of treatment are emerging, more accurate and sensitive diagnostic tests are being used. And medical and social expertise must justify expert decisions, relying, among other things, on the achievements of modern science. To keep up with the times, it is also necessary to improve the level of qualifications of personnel.

Another direction is organizational. We make certain efforts to eliminate the conditions for corruption as much as possible. For example, we plan to put into practice ITU electronic queue and independent distribution of cases between expert panels. This will, in our opinion, ensure an objective and impartial consideration of cases by experts.

Nowadays, many complaints are related to the rude, insufficiently sympathetic behavior of doctors, and our task is to make the examination more transparent for the population. For this purpose, we propose to create public councils at the main ITU bureaus. Councils will be able to quickly respond to people's complaints in case of unethical behavior of experts.

We also plan to create an institute of independent medical and social expertise in order to equip people with a professional independent opinion regarding the indications for establishing disability. They will be able to use this opinion when appealing decisions of federal ITU institutions, including in court. The Institute of Independent Expertise should help resolve many questions regarding the subjectivity of decisions of a particular ITU institution.

What public councils can do

Tell us more about the public councils at ITU. How can citizens use them to influence the situation?

We assume that the public councils at the main bureaus will include regional public figures, representatives of human rights organizations, human rights ombudsmen, and children's rights ombudsmen. The council should consist of people who rely on public institutions and represent the interests of a large category of citizens.

I am far from thinking that we will be able to analyze the essence of the decision made (about the disability group) in a public council, because this is a highly professional area. But from the point of view of maintaining order, the public council can do a lot.

We want to define the powers of the public council so that its decisions have serious weight. Most likely, this will require the development of special regulations.

- Who will be responsible for improving MTU methods?

Firstly, this is the Federal Bureau of Medical and Social Expertise. This is not only the highest authority, where particularly complex cases are considered or decisions of lower bureaus are appealed, but also a clinical base. Professionals in the field of cardiology, pulmonology, nephrology, etc. work there.

Secondly, the ministry has jurisdiction over a number of educational and scientific institutions. For example, the St. Petersburg Institute for Advanced Training of Medical Experts (SPbIUVEK) is an educational organization that organizes advanced training of experts or retraining of doctors to work in medical and social expertise.

Another organization is the Albrecht Institute (St. Petersburg Scientific and Practical Center for Medical and Social Expertise, Prosthetics and Rehabilitation of Disabled People named after G.A. Albrecht).

Novokuznetsk Scientific and Practical Center for Medical and Social Expertise and Rehabilitation of Disabled People specializes in spinal injuries and issues related to vascular dysfunction. He also performs surgical operations.

These institutions have the largest concentration of candidates and doctors of medical sciences who did their scientific works specifically in the field of ITU.

- You mentioned the need to improve the qualifications of experts. What will they be taught first?

First of all, of course, this is the regulatory framework, classifications and criteria. The second is the development of an individual rehabilitation program, including the appointment of technical means of rehabilitation. The third aspect is organizational issues, personnel and logistics.

- How can a disabled person prove that a medical expert behaved unethically?

When we talk about the examination procedure, we must not forget that the expert does not make decisions alone; he is not alone in the office. There are always witnesses who can confirm or refute the fact of unethical behavior. The draft “road map” includes video and audio recording of the examination procedure. If the patient wants the recording not to be kept, he can always declare this, but the expert will not have such a right.

We understand that to store these records we will have to increase server capacity. All data will be protected, and access to it by third parties will be limited as much as possible. Even an expert will not be able to modify, change or shorten the entry. When appealing or in cases of violation of the rights of a disabled person, the recording can be used as evidence. It is planned to provide access to it by the public council, judicial or investigative bodies.

Deputy Head of the Federal State Budgetary Institution FB ITU Sergei Kozlov clarified in an interview with Miloserdiy.ru: “In many regions, audio recording is already underway. This disciplines both sides. For experts, this is a kind of guarantee that, if necessary, they will be able to prove their innocence. And if audio and video recording is not carried out by the institution, the applicant can come with a voice recorder himself. It is not prohibited. But the person must notify us about this in advance. Otherwise, the recording cannot be used as evidence of certain violations during the examination.”

- What to do if a person is seriously ill, but his disability is not determined?

Now experts from the Bureau of Medical and Social Expertise must not only explain the decision made, but also inform a person for whom a disability has not been established what support measures he is entitled to. Our main bureaus, together with regional authorities, have developed relevant leaflets.

For example, drug provision, according to government decree No. 890, applies not only to people with disabilities. There is a list of nosologies for which it is provided. Our task is to orient a person where to go, how to get help, what address, phone number, e-mail he should contact.

What to do about corruption

What work issues and gaps in legislation are usually used by employees prone to corruption?

- “Loopholes” for corrupt officials are found at almost every step, because during the examination there is always a certain amount of subjectivity. For example, this may be the recognition as disabled of a person who has no signs of disability. True, in this case, medical organizations are also involved, writing that there is a disease that in fact does not exist.

Establishing interdepartmental electronic interaction with medical organizations would help in the fight against corruption. We have such plans. In particular, we would like to receive form 088/у (referral for examination) in electronic form. Because during inspections, it sometimes turns out that such a form is missing in the file or the stamp on it is unclear.

Already now, a unified automated MTU system is a good tool. Since 2013, medical and social examination institutions have completely switched from paper examination to electronic examination.

The system records all changes made by the expert. Moreover, access to this information is available both in the main bureau and in the federal bureau of ITU. Why is it important? Sometimes during corruption schemes there is a desire to correct or change something, to make some clarifications. Sometimes experts are in such a hurry that they don’t fill out anything at all: there is a certificate of disability, but there is no file. The system records this.

I will say that the system disciplines ITU employees with regard to deadlines. As soon as a person submits an application for examination or for changing the IPRA, the deadlines established by the administrative regulations are included. They oblige us, in particular, not to delay sending information to the Pension Fund so that the disabled person immediately begins to receive payments.

This year we are completing the formation of secure communication channels for transmitting data about a person, since they are not only personal in nature, but also contain information about medical confidentiality. Now such channels have been formed between the Federal Bureau and all subjects, with the exception of Crimea and Sevastopol, which will also soon join the system.

- When is it planned to create a Federal Register of Disabled Persons, and why is this being done?

On January 1, 2017, the federal register of disabled people will begin to operate, which will consolidate a wide variety of information about disabled people.

I’ll immediately answer the question why it is needed. States that have signed the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities are obliged to establish end-to-end statistical records of people with disabilities in order to record their needs, demographic composition and develop balanced, correct management decisions. But we went a little further.

A personal account of each disabled person will be created in the federal register, in which he will be able to see at any time what support measures are provided for him, what has been done, and who is responsible for their implementation. A person will be able to compare the information posted in the register with the activities actually completed and, if he is not satisfied with something, file a complaint.

Among other things, the register will reflect information regarding vocational education. We want to see how many children with disabilities enter the labor market every year. This will allow both employment services and employers to know in advance what jobs can be offered to them.

Unfortunately, we have sad statistics: half of disabled children who enter professional educational organizations, for some reason they drop out of school. We have to figure out why they left the race early.

The register should be operational from January 1, but not all of it, but only part of it, since not all cases in ITU institutions have yet been transferred to electronic form. I have already said that all ITU institutions have been working in a single system only for the last three years, and those paper files that are stored in archives need to be digitized.

Cases regarding disabled children will be completely digitized by January. Next year, at the second stage, we will process and upload all the rest to the register.

The premises where ITU offices are located are not always accessible to people with disabilities. What is being done about this?

The ITU network is very extensive, with about 2,600 branches throughout the country. We try to keep the main offices in their own premises. For such institutions, funds are provided annually for repairs and additional equipment.

But ITU offices are often located in rented premises or in the buildings of medical organizations, for example, clinics. Therefore, when they lack accessibility conditions, we, at the expense of federal budget We cannot retrofit them to meet the special needs of disabled people. In our opinion, the public council can provide significant assistance in resolving these issues through agreements with local authorities.

At the same time, it is important that local authorities understand: not only the premises must be accessible, but also the surrounding area, be it a bus stop public transport, sidewalks, parking areas.

Of course, on-site surveys are carried out, especially in hard-to-reach areas and in mountainous areas. Sometimes experts have to travel many hundreds of kilometers. For this purpose, ITU offices are provided with vehicles. No one can see this work, but it is being done.

- Previously, the issue of transferring MTU to the Ministry of Health was raised. How would you comment on this initiative?

It's not up to us to decide. The Russian Ministry of Labor is vested with its powers by an act of the government. But from my professional point of view, this would not be the right move. Issues of medical and social examination are mainly in the area of ​​providing social support to a person in a difficult life situation. In addition, ITU institutions are federal institutions, and hospitals are mainly regional. Are the regions ready to assume such powers? This will be an additional burden for them - both financial and organizational.

Why are people denied disability?

Sergey Kozlov, deputy head Federal Bureau medical and social examination

- How will the responsibilities of ITU staff change in the near future?

On behalf of the Minister of Labor and Social Protection in job descriptions ITU specialists made changes regarding compliance with the rules of ethics and deontology, correct behavior in relation to persons being examined. The duty of ITU specialists has been established to explain the expert decisions taken and inform the person about the benefits that should be provided regardless of the “disabled” status.

The ITU Federal Bureau proposed to ensure “observation of children outside the expert setting” to improve the quality of examinations. What is it about? About the video camera?

A child’s presence in an expert setting (undergoing an examination) is always stressful situation for humans, and especially for small child. Therefore, his behavior during the examination may not be exactly the same as in a normal daily environment.

But a playroom with a mirrored wall allows specialists to observe children’s actions in their usual environment and objectively assess how the child has mastered basic movements, that is, how he moves in the playroom, climbs, slides, and stands up.

At the same time, you can also note the presence or absence of shortness of breath, the level of development of fine motor skills.

Unfortunately, not all institutions have the opportunity to organize such game rooms. But most offices that accept people under 18 years of age have either a lounge with a play function or a playroom where a social work specialist, rehabilitation specialist, or just a doctor can come in and see how the child behaves. The time of such observation depends on the workload of specialists.

Often parents complain that the child is treated, he gets better, and immediately after that his disability is removed, thereby depriving him of rehabilitation and medications, as a result of which his condition worsens again.

We know of cases where parents are incorrectly informed and are led to believe that if their child is recognized as disabled, they will receive high-tech medical care without waiting in line. This also applies to the provision of expensive medicine.

At the same time, Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 890 clearly states what assistance should be provided by the region, including citizens who are not disabled. All regions, regardless of financial situation, must comply with this government regulation.

It must be remembered that health care appears on the territory of the Russian Federation in accordance with the compulsory medical insurance program (basic and territorial) and rehabilitation measures should be carried out for everyone who needs it, without reference to disability.

Moreover, high-tech methods medical rehabilitation are used to improve the quality of life of a patient with a chronic disease and are aimed at preventing disability.

Most often, parents of children with certain diseases express concern about denials of disability. For some, decisions have already been made, for example, on phenylketonuria. What about others?

Decisions have also been made regarding cystic fibrosis, as well as congenital cleft lip, hard and soft palate. After they came into force, the tension subsided.

On instructions from the ministry, we continue to work out general approaches when conducting a medical and social examination of children. The Federal Bureau has now prepared changes and additions to the rules for recognizing a person as disabled regarding the timing of the determination of disability. In our opinion, it would be correct appearance another list of diseases and irreversible nosological changes in which the category of a disabled child will be established for a period of five years, until the age of 14 or 18 years.

For example, with Down syndrome - immediately up to 18 years of age. For diseases such as cystic fibrosis, diabetes- up to 14 years old. With such serious illnesses, there is no point in undergoing a medical and social examination every year.

Parents of children with diabetes believe that at the age of 14 it is still impossible to independently control the disease.

When conducting a medical and social examination of a child with diabetes, in each specific case the expert decision is made strictly individually. The examination is carried out on the basis of a comprehensive assessment of health status, analysis of social, psychological, and pedagogical data.

IN age group over 14 years of age, the influence of puberty with the peculiarities of hormonal regulation of metabolism and psychological aspects behavior of adolescents that influence the ability to independently control the course of the disease and maintain optimal blood sugar levels.

During this period, children can behave completely differently. But we also rely on the records of observing doctors. If they indicate that the child calculates and makes injections independently, we take this into account.

Annual review of VOI activities

Our position

On April 15, 2009 at 12-00 o’clock an online interview was held with the head of the Department of Medical and Social Expertise and Social Support of the Population of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency, Sergei Ivanovich Kozlov. The topic of the interview: “Medical and social expertise: organization and procedure for passing. Experience and new solutions ".

Medical and social examination in the Russian Federation is one of the types medical examination, establishes the cause and group of disability, the degree of disability, determines the types, volume, terms of rehabilitation, social protection measures, and gives recommendations on the employment of citizens. These issues have been resolved in sufficient detail Federal law dated November 24, 1995 N 181-FZ “On the social protection of disabled people in the Russian Federation” (with subsequent amendments and additions).

In accordance with Decree of the President of the Russian Federation dated May 12, 2008 N 724 “Issues of the system and structure of federal bodies executive power", By Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of June 2, 2008 N 423 "On some issues of the activities of the Ministry of Health and Social Development of the Russian Federation and the Federal Medical and Biological Agency" the powers to organize the activities of federal state institutions of medical and social examination are assigned to the Federal Medical and Biological Agency .

Despite the fact that the implementation of functions on the territory of the Russian Federation for the provision of medical and medical-social assistance, the organization of forensic medical and forensic psychiatric examinations are regulated in sufficient detail by the current Russian legislation, its norms require further regulation and improvement.

Closely related to solving problems in the field of medical and social expertise are the problems of carrying out rehabilitation measures for disabled people in order to restore their social status. However, at present, the creation of only social institutions“medical and social examination services”, which slowed down the development of social and environmental rehabilitation infrastructure, which is the basis for restoring the body’s performance and skills for independent everyday activities, ensuring the prerequisites for the competitiveness of disabled people in the labor market, acquiring relative independence, and restoring the ability to adequately interact with society. The Department of Medical and Social Expertise and Social Support of the Population of the FMBA of Russia will have to change this situation.

During the online interview, it is planned to talk about new approaches to organizing medical and social examination in the Russian Federation, determine the procedure for its organization and implementation, analyze issues of improving legislation in this area, and determine the role of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency in reforming the MSA system.

These and other topical issues will be raised during an online interview with the head of the Department of Medical and Social Expertise and Social Support of the Population of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency, Sergei Ivanovich Kozlov.

By the time the interview began, several dozen different interesting and problematic questions had been received, which we would like to offer to our distinguished guest today.

The host of the online interview is Tsar Sergei Petrovich (Garant Company).

Good morning, dear ladies and gentlemen! Hello, dear Internet audience! We begin our online interview. Let me introduce our guest - Sergei Ivanovich Kozlov, head of the Department of Medical and Social Expertise and Social Support of the Population of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency.

Internet interview topic: " Medical and social examination: organization and procedure. Experience and new solutions".

Host: The first question came from Dmitry Malyshev from the city of Saratov. Sergey Ivanovich, please tell us about the procedure for organizing and passing a medical and social examination in Russia. What are the grounds for recognizing a citizen as disabled?

Kozlov S.I.:
I would like to briefly remind you in what cases disability is established. Recognition of a citizen as a disabled person is carried out by federal state institutions of medical and social examination when conducting a medical and social examination, based on a comprehensive assessment of the state of the citizen’s body based on an examination of the citizen, analysis of his clinical, functional, social, everyday, professional, labor and psychological data using classifications and criteria approved by the Ministry of Health and Social Development of the Russian Federation. In case of persistent disorder of body functions, which is caused by diseases, consequences of injuries or defects and leads to limitation of life activity, that is, complete or partial loss of the ability to self-care or, for example, orientation in space, learning. For each case of disability, a decision is made on an individual basis. The UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities recognizes the concept of disability as an evolving one. This means that many functional disorders can be corrected. For a certain period of time, specialists are engaged in the rehabilitation of a disabled person according to an individual program, which includes treatment, psychological assistance, and the development of recommendations for the best adaptation of the patient to life in new conditions. And if rehabilitation measures, compensation and elimination of impaired functions are effective, disability can be changed.

Host: Is it true that ITU has been instructed not to establish disability in order to save budget funds, and that doctors’ salaries depend on this?

Kozlov S.I.:
There are currently 13.2 million disabled people in Russia. This represents just over 9% of the country's population. In total, in 2008, 4.76 million people were examined, of which 1.20 million people were examined for the first time to establish disability, to determine the degree of loss of professional ability to work, and repeatedly, incl. to establish disability, to change the cause of disability, to formulate an individual rehabilitation program for a disabled person 3.56 million. The number of citizens examined by medical and social examination institutions in 2008, on average in the Russian Federation, was 390 thousand people per month, in January 2009 this the figure was 306 thousand people (subject to a 10-day holiday period), and in February - 450 thousand people, in March more than 418 thousand people, respectively. The number of citizens who were diagnosed with disability for the first time on average in the Russian Federation in 2008 was 80.5 thousand people per month, again 206 thousand people per month, in January 2009 these figures were 68 thousand people, and 180 thousand. people, and in February 2009 there were already 98 thousand people and 253 thousand people, in March 90.4 thousand people and 240 thousand people, respectively, which indicates an increase in the number of citizens recognized as disabled, and not a decrease in the level of disability.
As for wages and, in particular, incentive payments to ITU employees, first of all, attention is drawn to the absence of complaints about the work of the institution, the quality of decisions made, and there is no such criterion when determining wages as the number of identified, confirmed or unconfirmed cases of disability .

Presenter: Last September, Russia joined the international Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, which provides for the creation of a full-fledged environment for people with disabilities, ensuring their rights to work, to medical service, education, full participation in public life. What is being done to ensure its speedy ratification? Asks Leonid Ivanovich Smolyakov from the Tambov region.

Kozlov S.I.:
Indeed, in 2008 Russian Federation signed the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. Its ratification presupposes a large amount of legislative, organizational and information work. First of all, it is necessary to develop and submit for approval to the Government of the Russian Federation an action plan to prepare for ratification of the Convention. And this work needs to begin with clarification and implementation for practical application of a number of definitions, including the definition of such concepts as “disabled person”, “habilitation”, “rehabilitator”.
The Convention introduces the following concept of disability: “Disability is an evolving concept and is the result of the interactions that occur between disabled people and the attitudinal and environmental barriers that prevent them from participating fully and effectively in society on an equal basis with others.” That is why we must move from our existing system of social protection for people with disabilities to a policy of eliminating barriers and obstacles that prevent their full and effective participation in society on an equal basis with others.
State support for disabled people cannot be limited solely to pensions and social benefits. The most important objective is to enable persons with disabilities to lead independent lives and participate fully in all aspects of life, creating access on an equal basis with others to the physical environment, to transport, to information and communications, including information and communication technologies and systems, as well as to other facilities and services , open or made available to the public in both urban and rural areas.
We hope that the planned actions will allow Russia to accelerate the ratification of the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

Presenter: Which bodies control the organization of the activities of the Federal State Institution "Main Bureau of Medical and Social Expertise"?

Kozlov S.I.:
Control over the procedure for organizing and carrying out medical and social examination, as well as the rehabilitation of disabled people and the procedure for establishing the degree of loss of professional ability as a result of industrial accidents and occupational diseases in accordance with Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of June 30, 2004 N 323 “On approval of the Regulations on the Federal Service for Supervision in the Sphere of Health and Social Development" is carried out by the Federal Service for Supervision in the Sphere of Health and Social Development. In accordance with Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation dated April 11, 2005 N 206 “On the Federal Medical and Biological Agency,” the FMBA of Russia also exercises control over the activities of subordinate organizations.

Presenter: On April 7, 2008, Resolution of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 247 “On Amendments to the Rules for Recognizing a Person as Disabled” was adopted. It follows from the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation that people with incurable diseases and injuries are not required to undergo examinations annually. Please tell me, has the life of a person with disabilities become better due to his acceptance?

Kozlov S.I.:
I have already drawn attention to the fact that in Lately A number of normative legal acts with a social orientation have already been adopted, including Resolution of the Government of the Russian Federation dated 04/07/2008 N 247 “On Amendments to the Rules for Recognizing a Person as Disabled”, a list of diseases, defects, and conditions according to which disability is established has been determined indefinitely, which eliminates the need for citizens to re-apply to treatment and preventive institutions to formalize a referral for a medical and social examination, as well as the re-examination of citizens in federal medical and social examination institutions.
The list of diseases, defects, conditions under which a disability group is established without specifying the period for re-examination has been adapted to ICD-10, taking into account the proposals of the All-Russian Public Organization of Disabled Persons. The period of observation by federal state institutions of medical and social examination has been determined, according to the list - for 2 years, after which the disability group is established without specifying the period for re-examination. In the case of the main forms of diseases, this period is necessary to carry out a set of therapeutic measures aimed at restoring impaired or lost health functions of sick and disabled people, or attenuating the consequences of an illness, injury or injury until full or partial restoration or compensation of disorders in the patient’s condition.
This legal norm is addressed, first of all, to federal state institutions of medical and social examination, and sets for them deadlines for monitoring disabled people when making a decision to establish disability indefinitely and prevents unreasonable, untimely decision-making to establish disability without specifying the period for re-examination, which will ensure the realization of citizens' rights, related to their recognition as disabled. In the Russian Federation in 2007 (May-December), the total number of all people recognized as disabled (adult population) was 2,275,929 people, of which 21.84% of the total number were permanently recognized as disabled. In 2008, after the release of this Resolution, the number of disabled people (for May-December) amounted to 2,222,359 people, of which 711,899 people or 32.03% were permanently recognized (i.e., almost 10% more than in 2007 ).

Host: Please tell us about the judicial practice of challenging decisions on medical and social examination? Can a citizen who does not agree with the decision of the ITU bureau immediately file a complaint with the court, or is he obliged to first appeal this decision to the main ITU bureau? What are the statistics of citizens appealing the conclusions of the ITU Bureau in the courts, whose side do the judicial authorities take in this controversial issue more often? What regulatory legal acts regulate the issues of appealing decisions of medical and social examinations in the Russian Federation?" Asks Vasily Lonovoy from Tyumen.

Kozlov S.I.:
Issues of appealing decisions of the medical and social examination bureau are also regulated by Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of February 20, 2006 N 95 “On the procedure and conditions for recognizing a person as disabled.”
The legislation provides: if a citizen or his legal representative does not agree with the decision of the branch of the medical and social examination bureau, then he can appeal this decision to the main ITU bureau in his region, and if he disagrees with the decision of the main bureau, to the Federal Bureau. Decisions of the bureau, the main bureau, the Federal Bureau can be appealed to the court by a citizen (his legal representative) in the manner established by the legislation of the Russian Federation. According to monitoring data from the Federal Medical and Biological Agency, in 2008, 2,764 cases were appealed in court, or 0.06% of total number examinations of 4.76 million people. 210 lawsuits were satisfied, which is 0.004% of the total number of examinations, or 7.6% of the number of appealed decisions of medical and social examination institutions. At the same time, I note that not a single claim was satisfied due to abuse of official position.

Presenter: There is a Letter from the Ministry of Health and Social Development of the Russian Federation dated May 5, 2006 N 2317-BC, which sends Methodological recommendations for providing disabled people with technical means of rehabilitation. Then Letter N 3092-ВС dated April 18, 2007 was sent, which, in turn, recalled the previous letter from execution, but did not provide new recommendations. Question: what is the status of Letter No. 2317-BC of May 5, 2006 and the Methodological Recommendations, “valid” or “lost force”. If “active”, what does the “withdrawn” status mean?

Kozlov S.I.:
Letter of the Ministry of Health and Social Development of Russia dated May 5, 2006 N 2317-ВС was withdrawn from implementation by medical and social examination institutions, therefore, the Methodological recommendations for providing disabled people with technical means of rehabilitation are no longer valid legal force act.

Presenter: In the course of the FMBA of Russia carrying out its functions in terms of ITU, are representatives of the public involved in the discussion of various projects and initiatives? To what extent is the opinion of public associations of people with disabilities and human rights organizations taken into account when making a decision? On what issues has this cooperation already been established, is there any positive impact?

Kozlov S.I.:
Recently, a number of normative legal acts with a social orientation have been adopted. Thus, in the preparation of Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation dated 04/07/2008 N 247 “On amendments to the Rules for recognizing a person as disabled” and Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation dated 04/07/2008 N 240 “On the procedure for providing disabled people with technical means of rehabilitation and certain categories of citizens from number of veterans with prostheses (except dentures), prosthetic and orthopedic products" public organizations of disabled people took an active part. Active participation is also expected public organizations disabled people when preparing the Concept for reforming the state system of medical and social examination and rehabilitation of disabled people, widely discuss it with all interested institutions of civil society.

Presenter: Additional program drug provision suffers from gaps and shortcomings in legislation. The needs of beneficiaries for medicines are determined unqualifiedly, almost by eye, inventory management is poorly organized, the issuance of prescriptions for medicines is often unsystematic, and funding from the federal budget is insufficient. When will they finally take appropriate measures to regulate DLO?

Kozlov S.I.:
This issue does not fall within the competence of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency of Russia, but I can say that in 2008, the drug provision scheme for preferential categories of citizens completely changed. The powers to provide them with the necessary medicines have been transferred to the constituent entities of the Russian Federation. And patients with diseases of seven nosologies (hemophilia, cystic fibrosis, pituitary dwarfism, Gaucher disease, myeloid leukemia, multiple sclerosis, as well as after organ and (or) tissue transplantation) in need of expensive therapy, began to be provided with the necessary medicines at the expense of the federal budget.

Presenter: The degree of restriction of work activity is now being determined. Tell me, please, what is the difference between the disability group and this very degree? What is taken into account first of all when determining it?

Kozlov S.I.:
A medical and social examination is carried out to establish the structure and degree of limitation of a citizen’s life activity (including the degree of limitation of the ability to work). Depending on the degree of disability caused by a persistent disorder of body functions resulting from diseases, consequences of injuries or defects, a citizen recognized as disabled is assigned disability group I, II or III. When a disability group is established for a citizen, the degree of limitation of his ability to work is simultaneously determined (III, II or I degree of limitation) or the disability group is established without restriction of his ability to work. Thus, limited ability to work is one of the seven types of disabilities. Currently, pensions for disabled people are generally determined by the degree of disability, and not by the disability group.

Host: Please tell us how things are now with material support and financing of the activities of medical and social examination workers? What are the problems?

Kozlov S.I.:
In order to further improve the quality and efficiency of the activities of federal institutions of medical and social expertise, we consider it appropriate, within the framework of the Concept for reforming federal state institutions of medical and social expertise and rehabilitation of disabled people, to provide for strengthening the material and technical base of federal state institutions of medical and social expertise, to develop modern models functioning of medical and social examination institutions at various levels, a single integrated information system.

Material and technical equipment, first of all, is associated with resolving the issue of providing federal state institutions of medical and social expertise with the necessary premises that meet safety regulations, sanitary and hygienic standards, fire safety requirements, conditions for a comfortable stay for persons with disabilities, and ensure free access disabled people to them. The analysis showed that currently federal government institutions for medical and social examination occupy 209,551 square meters, which is just over 33%. It is also necessary to resolve the issue of transferring, in the prescribed manner, into federal ownership the premises necessary for the implementation of the functions of federal state institutions of medical and social examination. In some cases, it is advisable to consider purchasing office space as a property, given the constant growth rent. Thus, the issue of acquiring buildings in seven constituent entities of the Russian Federation is currently being resolved.

Partially, the issue of providing space for federal state institutions for medical and social examination is resolved through participation in the federal target program “Social support for people with disabilities for 2006-2010”, approved by Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of December 29, 2005 N 832. The construction of a building for a federal state institution is envisaged Main Bureau of Medical and Social Expertise for Rostov region" (Rostov-on-Don), in the Chita region and Aginsky Buryat Autonomous Okrug (Chita), in the Yaroslavl region (Yaroslavl), in the Smolensk region (Smolensk), in the Ryazan region (Ryazan) , in the Tyumen region (Tyumen), in the Bryansk region (Bryansk), in the Republic of Ingushetia (Magas).
To improve the quality of services provided to people with disabilities and facilitate the procedures for determining disability and re-examining people with disabilities, in 2009 more than 500 units of special vehicles will be purchased for medical and social examination institutions. We hope that the presence of such cars in the regions will allow us to quickly provide expert and rehabilitation services to people with disabilities.

Host: Please tell me, are there currently problems with training and advanced training of personnel for institutions of medical and social examination and rehabilitation of the disabled? And what specialists are in greatest need?

Kozlov S.I.:
The main burden of training specialists for medical and social examination institutions is borne by the St. Petersburg Institute for Advanced Training of Medical Experts and the Federal Bureau. During 2006-2008, 471 specialists completed primary specialization, 96 specialists underwent retraining during the same period, and 6,203 specialists underwent advanced training. Among the specialists in demand: doctors of various profiles, psychologists, social work specialists, etc.

Host: The next question is from Alexandra Pupkina. “I was re-examined for the 3rd disability group, I was assigned the same group for a period of 1 year. I do not agree with the determination of the period, because I have been a pensioner since 50 years old and have now reached the general retirement age. I have a condition after suffering pancreatic necrosis with peritonitis, cholecystectomy, gastroduodenitis and a bunch of concomitant diseases. Courses of anti-inflammatory treatment are continuous at intervals of no more than 2-3 weeks and with the constant intake of enzymes. Doctors' forecasts about the disease for life. I submitted a statement to the main bureau of the region with a question about disagreement with decision of the ITU commission regarding the term, i.e. changing the term to indefinite, and not 1 year. The commission at the main bureau of the region refused me, citing the fact that in my application I did not ask for the term to be determined indefinitely. Please explain to me :
1) Should I indicate the desired period and degree of work restriction in my application?
2) Can I count on determining the period indefinitely, and according to what document should the frequency of re-examination be determined?

Kozlov S.I.:
Let me remind you that disability is established when there is a persistent disorder of body functions, which is caused by diseases, consequences of injuries or defects and leads to limitation of life activity, that is, complete or partial loss of the ability to move, self-care or, for example, orientation in space, learning. For each case of disability, a decision is made on an individual basis. Retirement age is not a basis for establishing disability without a period for re-examination. The frequency of examination, as well as the possibility of establishing disability without indicating the period of disability, is regulated by Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of February 20, 2006 N 95 “On the procedure and conditions for recognizing a person as disabled”; wishes are not indicated in the application.

Host: Please tell us about the procedure for establishing disability in children and adults in the absence of an eye.

Kozlov S.I.:
Visual disturbances leading to limitation of life activity may be caused by various pathologies, which is a consequence of diseases, developmental anomalies, damage to various structures eyeball. Visual impairment has an adverse effect on almost all manifestations of life, however, the degree of this effect varies. The main characteristic that reflects the severity of the pathology of the organ of vision and determines its impact on the life activity and social insufficiency of a person is the state of visual functions, the main ones among which are: acuity and field of vision. When conducting a medical and social examination, the severity of the violation is assessed taking into account International classification visual disorders (ICD 10th revision. WHO. Geneva), according to the state of functions of the better-seeing or single eye in conditions of tolerable (optimal) correction (spectacles or contact). Thus, according to the International Classification of Visual Disorders, the majority of people with anophthalmos or monocular blindness, including children, with a structurally and functionally intact second eye, do not have limitations in the main categories of life activities associated with their health status, and, therefore, do not have grounds for establishing disability. 05/19/09 on another forum I came across this opinion: ICD-10 is about the worse seeing eye! And the table on page 462 of ICD-10 has more than 10 differences from the one that the ITU secretly uses, imprinting there the only better seeing eye and four degrees of functional disorders. And also, the head of the MSE FMBA department did not explain why a citizen with one eye, as having no restrictions, cannot exercise his right to work by serving under a contract in the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and other 17 ministries where military service is provided. Cannot drive vehicles. As someone who has no limitations, he cannot, like everyone else, master a course in descriptive geometry, engineering graphics, certain sections of higher mathematics (for example, the intersection of planes and vectors) and physics (for example, the Gauss theorem, for various volumes), etc., related to volumetric perception of space in a technical university

Host: Thank you. Vartseva Nadezhda Gennadievna from the city of Bryansk asks. Please tell me what diseases most often cause disability?

Kozlov S.I.:
According to statistical observation data, the structure of disability of the adult population by disease class in the Russian Federation in 2008 is presented as follows: diseases of the circulatory system, malignant neoplasms, diseases musculoskeletal system, injuries. Further, the ranking places are occupied by people with disabilities due to diseases of the eye, respiratory system, mental disorders, diseases of the nervous system.

Host: Thank you for your answer, Sergei Ivanovich. The next question came from Viktor Sidelshchikov from the Moscow region: “I am a disabled person of the second group. A social worker comes to look after me. However, I do not live at my place of registration and I cannot get to the regional medical and social examination. What should I do?”

Kozlov S.I.:
In accordance with the Rules for recognizing a person as disabled, if a citizen cannot appear at the bureau (main bureau, Federal Bureau) for health reasons, which is confirmed by the conclusion of the organization providing him with medical and preventive care, a medical and social examination can be carried out at home, or in a hospital where the citizen is undergoing treatment, or in absentia by decision of the relevant bureau.

Host: Please tell me, is there any requirement for the frequency of re-examination of disabled people and determination of their degree of limitation in their ability to work?

Kozlov S.I.:
In accordance with the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of February 20, 2006 N 95 “On the procedure and conditions for recognizing a person as disabled,” disability of group I is established for 2 years, groups II and III - for 1 year. The degree of limitation of the ability to work (no limitation of the ability to work) is established for the same period as the disability group. The category “disabled child” is established for 1 or 2 years or until the citizen reaches the age of 18. Re-examination of disabled people of group I is carried out once every 2 years, disabled people of groups II and III - once a year, and children of disabled people - once during the period for which the child is classified as a "disabled child".

Presenter: Sergey Ivanovich, in your opinion, how justified is the determining importance of limiting the ability to work? Asks Viktor Semenovich Leontyev from the Moscow region.

Kozlov S.I.:
Pensions of disabled people depending on the degree of limitation of the ability to work (LTD), and not the disability group, largely masks the very picture of the state of disability, the degree of severity of limitations in life activity. This is most clearly manifested in the attitude towards the visually impaired (blind). The establishment of this category of 1st group of disability in the presence of pronounced restrictions on self-care, movement, orientation with the remaining partial ability to work, the ability to perform work in specially created conditions (2nd degree OST) significantly reduces the economic insufficiency of these citizens.
In addition to assigning a labor pension to a visually disabled person, providing him with other social benefits, such as receiving a second voucher for sanatorium-resort treatment, free travel to the place of treatment and back for an accompanying person and other services, are also directly correlated with the degree of disability activities, and not from the disability group, which significantly limits the rights of this category of disabled people.

Host: Question from Irina Lvovna Voronova from the Moscow region. "My son Dmitry Aleksandrovich Gurtovenko, born on January 12, 2004, is disabled in childhood due to cerebral palsy, spastic diplegia, from the age of 1. The child attends kindergarten, swimming pool, We undergo rehabilitation at the children's rehabilitation center "Childhood" and at a sanatorium according to our profile, when we are provided with vouchers, in addition, we treat ourselves - exercise therapy, swimming, exercise equipment, physiotherapy, etc. Accompanying illnesses- allergies, tonsillitis. Is it possible by this disease register for disability before the age of 18, and not pass the VTEK commission annually? Passing the commission traumatizes the child’s psyche. Can the VTEK commission refuse to grant disability with this diagnosis?”

Kozlov S.I.:
Decisions by medical and social examination institutions are made individually when conducting a medical and social examination, based on a comprehensive assessment of the state of the citizen’s body using classifications and criteria approved by the Ministry of Health and Social Development of the Russian Federation. If your diagnosis is correct, then at the next examination the question of establishing the category “disabled child” in in this case Dima must be under 18 years of age.

Host: Thank you very much. And the next question is: “Dear Sergei Ivanovich! I head a charitable educational foundation, which, via the Internet, informs parents and specialists about methods of rehabilitation of disabled children. Repeatedly at the highest level (including hearings in the State Duma and other meetings, publications in newspapers and online magazines) I raised the question of the need for targeted work in this direction. I proposed the creation of: 1) a specialized publishing house to publish a magazine and books on medical, pedagogical, social rehabilitation 2) universal (at least in regional centers) creation of qualified centers early help, the methodology for which was developed by the Institute of Correctional Pedagogy and other things. In addition, I believe that in the IPR of any child born with a developmental pathology, it is necessary to include the opportunity for parents to receive a free education as a defectologist. Only then will we be able to begin to solve this problem. I would like to know your opinion on this issue. Is it possible for our foundation to cooperate with your department?”

Kozlov S.I.:
I believe that the issues you raise are very relevant and deserve detailed study. FMBA of Russia is open to cooperation with scientific, public and other organizations operating in the field of medical and social examination and rehabilitation of people with disabilities.

Host: The next question came from Alina Vitalievna Kravchenko from Samara. By law, the patient or his legal representative has the right to involve any specialist at his own expense to participate in a medical and social examination with the right of an advisory vote. Is this right used or is it only declared? How do you assess the impact of the presence of a third-party specialist on the decision-making process in this case, does it become more objective and unbiased?

Kozlov S.I.:
The right of a citizen (his legal representative) to attract any specialist at his own expense to participate in a medical and social examination is not provided for by current legislation. This rule of law was provided for by Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of August 13, 1996 N 965 “On the procedure for recognizing citizens as disabled,” which has become invalid.
The current Rules in conducting a medical and social examination of a citizen at the invitation of the head of the bureau (main bureau, Federal Bureau) provide for the participation, with the right of an advisory vote, of representatives of state and extra-budgetary funds of the Federal Service for Labor and Employment, as well as specialists of the relevant profile. Of course, in cases that require clarification of the structure and degree of disability, rehabilitation potential, as well as obtaining other additional information, the presence of specialists with the right to an advisory vote in a number of cases makes it possible to comprehensively assess the existing limitations of a citizen, the need for social protection measures, rehabilitation.

Host: Thank you. And the next question is from Arthur Poloskov from the Leningrad region. Currently, enough people live in the Russian Federation big number migrants. Sergey Ivanovich, please tell us how issues are resolved in relation to this category of persons conducting ITU, determination of disability? Are there any restrictions on them? By what means is all this accomplished?

Kozlov S.I.:
In accordance with Article 4 of the Federal Law of July 25, 2002 N 115-FZ "On legal status"foreign citizens in the Russian Federation" foreign citizens enjoy rights in the Russian Federation and bear responsibilities on an equal basis with citizens of the Russian Federation, with the exception of cases provided for by federal law. Medical and social examination institutions at the place of residence of foreign citizens registered in the prescribed manner carry out their examinations without any restrictions. Disability for this category of citizens is established on the terms and standards of the legislation of the Russian Federation. I would like to note that issues of disability payments do not fall within the competence of the FMBA of Russia, but at the same time, foreign citizens who have a permit have the right to a labor pension residence and permanent residence on the territory of the Russian Federation, the scope of rights and benefits of foreign citizens on the territory of the Russian Federation can also be determined by international regulatory legal acts.

Presenter: Mikhail Anatolyevich Potapov from the city of Chekhov asks: “Often, medical institutions lose outpatient cards patients who subsequently have serious difficulties with passing the ITU. Where can a citizen turn to protect his rights in this case, and what responsibility should a medical institution bear for such actions?”

Kozlov S.I.:
This issue falls within the competence of the health authorities of the relevant constituent entity of the Russian Federation.

Presenter: The next question came from Alexander Ivankovsky: “Sergey Ivanovich, please answer, if the examined person disagrees with the conclusions of the medical and social examination and the person wishes to appeal it in court, in which institution an alternative examination can be carried out, especially to check the criteria social adaptation?

Kozlov S.I.:
It should be noted that the current legislation does not provide for an “independent” medical and social examination. According to the Federal Law of November 24, 1995 N 181-FZ “On the social protection of disabled people in the Russian Federation,” medical and social examination is carried out only by federal institutions of medical and social examination. In accordance with the Rules for recognizing a person as disabled, a citizen has the right to appeal to the court the decisions of the bureau, the main bureau, the Federal Bureau in the manner established by the legislation of the Russian Federation. A court ruling appoints a forensic medical and social examination, the conduct of which is entrusted to the federal state institution of medical and social examination specified in the Determination.

Presenter: Thank you, Sergey Ivanovich. The next question came from Sergei Anatolyevich Kudryakov from the city of Novosibirsk. “Please clarify the procedure for establishing the degree of disability for military personnel (including former ones). Currently, ITU bodies refuse to establish the degree of disability for military personnel, citing incomprehensible instructions (which they refuse to provide), simply citing reluctance to do this and their main motive - supposedly large pensions for military personnel. Military personnel are already in an obviously worse position than civilians, since monthly payments for a military injury can only be received by a court decision (and not in a declarative manner), and there is no established judicial practice on this issue . Problem monthly payment is that the Russian Defense Ministry does not insure military personnel to receive these payments, but only insures them to receive one-time insurance payments."

Kozlov S.I.:
Articles 1084-1094 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation define the general procedure for compensation for harm caused to the life or health of a citizen. Specific mechanisms for implementing this procedure are established by the relevant federal laws and regulations. Federal Law No. 125-FZ of July 24, 1998 “On compulsory social insurance against industrial accidents and occupational diseases” establishes the basis for compulsory social insurance against industrial accidents and occupational diseases and the procedure for compensation for damage caused to the life and health of an employee during the performance of them work responsibilities.

Guided by the Law, the Government of the Russian Federation, by Resolution No. 789 of October 16, 2000, approved the Rules for establishing the degree of loss of professional ability to work as a result of industrial accidents and occupational diseases. Terms and procedure compensation payments former military personnel are defined by Federal Law No. 52-FZ of March 28, 1998 “On compulsory state insurance of the life and health of military personnel, citizens called up for military training, private and commanding officers of the internal affairs bodies of the Russian Federation, employees of institutions and tax police bodies.”

According to Article 5 of the Federal Law, the amount of insurance amounts paid to military personnel and persons equivalent to them in compulsory state insurance depends on the severity of the disability group established for them and the severity of the injury received during military service (wounds, injuries, contusions). Determination of the severity of injuries (wounds, injuries, concussions) of the insured persons is carried out by the relevant medical authorities of the federal executive authorities, in which the legislation of the Russian Federation provides for military service, service, military training (clause 1 of Article 7 of the Federal Law). Thus, insurance payments former military personnel and persons equal to them under compulsory state insurance do not depend on the degree of loss of professional ability to work.

In this regard, at present, none of the current regulatory legal acts entrusts medical and social examination institutions with the right to establish for former military personnel the degree of loss of professional ability as a percentage due to injuries (wounds, injuries, concussions) or diseases received during military service . In turn, there are no criteria for determining the degree of loss of professional ability for persons who served in the armed forces in the legislation of the Russian Federation. Thus, the current regulatory legal acts do not define the procedure for establishing by the medical and social examination bureau the degree of loss of professional ability for the above-mentioned category of citizens.

Host: Thank you, and next question. Dear Sergei Ivanovich, my daughter suffers from diabetes. For more than 5 years we were on disability, a disabled child, we underwent VTEC every year, all these 5 years we were observed at the Russian Children's Clinical Hospital for Diabetology, we have complications, but on September 30, 2008, our disability was removed. Can we recover?

Kozlov S.I.:
Let me remind you that the legislation provides for the possibility of appealing decisions of medical and social examination institutions. Considering that a significant amount of time has passed since your daughter’s last examination and changes may have occurred in her state of health, we recommend that you undergo an examination in the prescribed manner, i.e. with a referral for medical and social examination to the organization providing her with treatment and preventive care, after carrying out the necessary diagnostic, therapeutic and rehabilitation measures.

Presenter: Since October 1, 2008, Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of April 7, 2008 N 240 “On the procedure for providing disabled people with technical means of rehabilitation and certain categories of citizens from among veterans with prostheses (except dentures), prosthetic and orthopedic products” has been in force, significantly simplifying the provision of rehabilitation means. Tell us about his most important novels. How will this document affect the life of a sick person? Question from Renata Aleksandrovna from the Ivanovo region.

Kozlov S.I.:
Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation dated 04/07/2008 N 240 “On the procedure for providing disabled people with technical means of rehabilitation and certain categories of citizens from among veterans with prosthetics (except dentures), prosthetic and orthopedic products” adopted a new conceptual direction for providing disabled people, veterans, with technical funds and services at the expense of the federal budget, thereby simplifying the procedure for providing disabled people with technical means of rehabilitation, and certain categories of citizens from among veterans with prostheses and prosthetic and orthopedic products. The rules for providing disabled people with technical means of rehabilitation are extended to persons under the age of 18, who are classified as “disabled children”. The procedure for providing prosthetic and prosthetic-orthopedic products to citizens from among veterans who are not disabled has been determined. The procedure for working with an application from a disabled person or veteran is regulated: simultaneously with the consideration of an application to provide disabled people with technical means of rehabilitation, and veterans with prostheses and prosthetic-orthopedic products, the executive body of the Social Insurance Fund of the Russian Federation forms a case, and at the same time sends (issues) a referral for receipt (production) ) a disabled person of the specified technical means of rehabilitation (product), and a veteran of a prosthesis, prosthetic and orthopedic product, and if it is necessary to travel to the location of the organization to which the referral was issued, a special coupon is simultaneously issued or sent for the right to receive free travel documents.

I would especially like to draw attention to the fact that if the individual rehabilitation program for a disabled person, the conclusion on the provision of prosthetics, prosthetic and orthopedic products to a veteran, issued by medical commissions of medical organizations providing medical and preventive care to veterans, provides for a technical means of rehabilitation, a prosthesis and a prosthetic and orthopedic product, respectively, the disabled person (veteran) purchased at his own expense, compensation is paid in the amount of the cost of technical means of rehabilitation, prosthesis and prosthetic and orthopedic products. The procedure for payment of compensation has been determined if disabled people and veterans have independently provided themselves with the appropriate technical means of rehabilitation (product), prosthesis, prosthetic-orthopedic product by purchasing at their own expense, payment is made at month period from the date of adoption of the relevant decision. The procedure for repairing technical means of rehabilitation, prostheses, prosthetic and orthopedic products has been determined; compensation is provided if a disabled person or veteran independently repaired the technical means of rehabilitation, prosthesis, prosthetic and orthopedic products; previously this provision did not exist. The procedure and conditions for replacing technical means of rehabilitation, prostheses, and prosthetic and orthopedic products have been determined. The need for citizens to apply to both treatment and preventive institutions and federal institutions of medical and social expertise is eliminated if an individual rehabilitation program for a disabled person is developed before the citizen reaches the age of 18, or for an indefinite period, and the period of rehabilitation measures is determined by the period of use of the technical equipment. means of rehabilitation, prosthesis and prosthetic and orthopedic products.

Replacement of technical means of rehabilitation after the expiration of the established period of use is carried out by the executive body of the Social Insurance Fund of the Russian Federation at the place of residence of the disabled person, if there is a conclusion that there are no contraindications to providing the disabled person with technical means of rehabilitation. It has been established that technical means of rehabilitation transferred to disabled people, and prostheses, prosthetic and orthopedic products to veterans for free use after the expiration of the period of use are not subject to surrender. Compensation is provided for when a disabled person or veteran independently decides the issue of travel to the location of an organization that provides prosthetics and prosthetic and orthopedic products; previously this provision did not exist.

Presenter: The Ministry of Health and Social Development of the FMBA of Russia has given instructions to develop a concept for modernizing the work of medical and social examination, which will subsequently be discussed at the Public Council under the Ministry. How is work progressing in this direction? Does the Federal Medical and Biological Agency already have any ideas and proposals, since you have accumulated a lot of experience on this issue? Asks Kirill Vyacheslavovich Novikov from the Bryansk region.

Kozlov S.I.:
Social policy regarding people with disabilities must be preventive, socially effective and economically feasible. The main tools for solving the problem of disability are: development and improvement of normative legal framework, effective government regulation in the social sphere, the use of a program-target method (meaning federal and regional target programs), the introduction of innovative technologies (social, technical, economic, managerial, etc.), targeting and economic feasibility of decision-making, taking into account international experience in decisions this problem.

Undoubtedly, the ITU service is currently in need of serious reorganization, however, the reform of its activities should go along with a change in the country as a whole in the concept of disability, rehabilitation and social (including labor) integration of people with disabilities into ordinary living conditions. The reorganization of the ITU service itself may not have an effect if the overall system of rehabilitation of disabled people in the country is not adjusted, affecting the reform of the activities of health care institutions, social sphere and other services involved in this area of ​​work. In our opinion, the modern concept of disability should move away from the usual scheme of a patient-disabled person. That is, when a patient without sufficient treatment, and the terms of this treatment due to temporary disability (up to 10-12 months), with the proper approach allow to obtain more favorable results, are immediately sent to ITU institutions, where, in accordance with the current criteria, they are assigned disability group and an IPR is being developed to carry out rehabilitation measures. Disability is often established only in order to receive free (otherwise it will not be provided to the sick citizen) technical means of rehabilitation or dietary food, Spa treatment; in other cases, to undergo retraining in another profession, if it is impossible to work in their previous profession. Those. first we make a person disabled, and then we try to rehabilitate him. While throughout the civilized world, rehabilitation is carried out before disability is determined.

“A major overhaul of the MSE and rehabilitation system” is the only option, in our opinion, to eliminate the current shortcomings. For this purpose it is necessary to as soon as possible finalize the concept for improving the reform of the integrated medical and social rehabilitation disabled people. At the same time, it is planned to regulate and simplify the procedure for sending citizens for a medical and social examination, simplify the examination procedure, shorten the route of movement of a disabled person, expand the volume and improve the quality of medical, social and rehabilitation services provided to disabled people.

Presenter: Of the large number of disabled people who have indications for work, only a small part works. Judging by surveys, many are held back by the fear that when they get a job, their disability will be removed, and along with it, their benefits. But the majority still strives to undergo rehabilitation and get a feasible profession. However, competing in the labor market with healthy people disabled people cannot do it. What measures have been taken in our country to encourage employers to hire people with disabilities, and what positive things can be taken from experience? foreign countries in this area?

Kozlov S.I.:
Today the number of working disabled people is about 460 thousand people. According to expert estimates, employment among disabled people of working age in the Russian Federation does not exceed 15%. It is especially low among disabled people of disability groups I and II (8%). Low level employment of disabled people is determined by a number of factors. Among them are the aggravation of the situation in the labor market as a whole, the existing “link” of the size of monthly cash payments to the degree of limitation of the ability to work, as well as the imperfection of legal regulation of the employment of people with disabilities. To solve the problems of employment of people with disabilities, it also seems advisable to combine measures of quotas for jobs for people with disabilities, as one of the guarantees of their employment, with measures to support employers, including subsidies for enterprises that employ the labor of people with disabilities.

Presenter: Currently, the presence of huge queues of people waiting for ITU is more the rule than the exception. People are losing their nerves and money. What measures are being taken to eliminate this situation? What is being done to improve the work of ITU institutions and reduce queues? Asks Oleg Menshikov from the Moscow region.

Kozlov S.I.:
Currently, in accordance with the Order of the FMBA of Russia, the structure of ITU institutions has been determined, aimed at optimizing the activities of the bureau and bringing medical and social examination closer to the population, which, in turn, should have a positive impact on the quality of examination and eliminating the waiting list. Today, a slight priority remains in a number of constituent entities of the Russian Federation (St. Petersburg, Moscow, Moscow, Vologda, Oryol regions).

Host: Thank you very much, Sergey Ivanovich, for the interesting and comprehensive answers, for taking the time to answer questions from our online audience.

Online interview organized by the company

On April 15, 2009 at 12-00 o’clock an online interview was held with the head of the Department of Medical and Social Expertise and Social Support of the Population of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency, Sergei Ivanovich Kozlov. The topic of the interview: “Medical and social expertise: organization and procedure for passing. Experience and new solutions ".

Medical and social examination in the Russian Federation is one of the types of medical examination; it establishes the cause and group of disability, the degree of disability, determines the types, volume, timing of rehabilitation, social protection measures, and gives recommendations on the employment of citizens. These issues are regulated in sufficient detail by the Federal Law of November 24, 1995 N 181-FZ “On the social protection of disabled people in the Russian Federation” (with subsequent amendments and additions).

In accordance with Decree of the President of the Russian Federation dated May 12, 2008 N 724 “Issues of the system and structure of federal executive bodies”, Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation dated June 2, 2008 N 423 “On some issues of the activities of the Ministry of Health and Social Development of the Russian Federation and the Federal Medical and Biological Agency" powers to organize the activities of federal state institutions of medical and social expertise are assigned to the Federal Medical and Biological Agency.

Despite the fact that the implementation of functions on the territory of the Russian Federation for the provision of medical and medical-social assistance, the organization of forensic medical and forensic psychiatric examinations are regulated in sufficient detail by the current Russian legislation, its norms require further regulation and improvement.

Closely related to solving problems in the field of medical and social expertise are the problems of carrying out rehabilitation measures for disabled people in order to restore their social status. However, at present, the creation of only social institutions “medical and social examination services” is legally enshrined, which has slowed down the development of social and environmental rehabilitation infrastructure, which is the basis for restoring the body’s performance and skills for independent everyday activities, ensuring the prerequisites for the competitiveness of people with disabilities in the labor market, acquiring relative independence, restoration of the ability to adequately interact with society. The Department of Medical and Social Expertise and Social Support of the Population of the FMBA of Russia will have to change this situation.

During the online interview, it is planned to talk about new approaches to organizing medical and social examination in the Russian Federation, determine the procedure for its organization and implementation, analyze issues of improving legislation in this area, and determine the role of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency in reforming the MSA system.

These and other topical issues will be raised during an online interview with the head of the Department of Medical and Social Expertise and Social Support of the Population of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency, Sergei Ivanovich Kozlov.

By the time the interview began, several dozen different interesting and problematic questions had been received, which we would like to offer to our distinguished guest today.

The host of the online interview is Tsar Sergei Petrovich (Garant Company).

Good morning, dear ladies and gentlemen! Hello, dear Internet audience! We begin our online interview. Let me introduce our guest - Sergei Ivanovich Kozlov, head of the Department of Medical and Social Expertise and Social Support of the Population of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency.

Internet interview topic: " Medical and social examination: organization and procedure. Experience and new solutions".

Host: The first question came from Dmitry Malyshev from the city of Saratov. Sergey Ivanovich, please tell us about the procedure for organizing and passing a medical and social examination in Russia. What are the grounds for recognizing a citizen as disabled?

Kozlov S.I.:
I would like to briefly remind you in what cases disability is established. Recognition of a citizen as a disabled person is carried out by federal state institutions of medical and social examination when conducting a medical and social examination, based on a comprehensive assessment of the state of the citizen’s body based on an examination of the citizen, analysis of his clinical, functional, social, everyday, professional, labor and psychological data using classifications and criteria approved by the Ministry of Health and Social Development of the Russian Federation. In case of persistent disorder of body functions, which is caused by diseases, consequences of injuries or defects and leads to limitation of life activity, that is, complete or partial loss of the ability to self-care or, for example, orientation in space, learning. For each case of disability, a decision is made on an individual basis. The UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities recognizes the concept of disability as an evolving one. This means that many functional disorders can be corrected. For a certain period of time, specialists are engaged in the rehabilitation of a disabled person according to an individual program, which includes treatment, psychological assistance, and the development of recommendations for the best adaptation of the patient to life in new conditions. And if rehabilitation measures, compensation and elimination of impaired functions are effective, disability can be changed.

Host: Is it true that ITU has been instructed not to establish disability in order to save budget funds, and that doctors’ salaries depend on this?

Kozlov S.I.:
There are currently 13.2 million disabled people in Russia. This represents just over 9% of the country's population. In total, in 2008, 4.76 million people were examined, of which 1.20 million people were examined for the first time to establish disability, to determine the degree of loss of professional ability to work, and repeatedly, incl. to establish disability, to change the cause of disability, to formulate an individual rehabilitation program for a disabled person 3.56 million. The number of citizens examined by medical and social examination institutions in 2008, on average in the Russian Federation, was 390 thousand people per month, in January 2009 this the figure was 306 thousand people (subject to a 10-day holiday period), and in February - 450 thousand people, in March more than 418 thousand people, respectively. The number of citizens who were diagnosed with disability for the first time on average in the Russian Federation in 2008 was 80.5 thousand people per month, again 206 thousand people per month, in January 2009 these figures were 68 thousand people, and 180 thousand. people, and in February 2009 there were already 98 thousand people and 253 thousand people, in March 90.4 thousand people and 240 thousand people, respectively, which indicates an increase in the number of citizens recognized as disabled, and not a decrease in the level of disability.
As for wages and, in particular, incentive payments to ITU employees, first of all, attention is drawn to the absence of complaints about the work of the institution, the quality of decisions made, and there is no such criterion when determining wages as the number of identified, confirmed or unconfirmed cases of disability .

Presenter: Last September, Russia joined the International Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, which provides for the creation of a full-fledged environment for people with disabilities, ensuring their rights to work, medical care, education, and full participation in public life. What is being done to ensure its speedy ratification? Asks Leonid Ivanovich Smolyakov from the Tambov region.

Kozlov S.I.:
Indeed, in 2008, the Russian Federation signed the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. Its ratification requires a large amount of legislative, organizational and information work. First of all, it is necessary to develop and submit for approval to the Government of the Russian Federation an action plan to prepare for ratification of the Convention. And this work needs to begin with clarification and implementation for practical application of a number of definitions, including the definition of such concepts as “disabled person”, “habilitation”, “rehabilitator”.
The Convention introduces the following concept of disability: “Disability is an evolving concept and is the result of the interactions that occur between disabled people and the attitudinal and environmental barriers that prevent them from participating fully and effectively in society on an equal basis with others.” That is why we must move from our existing system of social protection for people with disabilities to a policy of eliminating barriers and obstacles that prevent their full and effective participation in society on an equal basis with others.
State support for people with disabilities cannot be limited solely to pensions and social benefits. The most important objective is to enable persons with disabilities to lead independent lives and participate fully in all aspects of life, creating access on an equal basis with others to the physical environment, to transport, to information and communications, including information and communication technologies and systems, as well as to other facilities and services , open or made available to the public in both urban and rural areas.
We hope that the planned actions will allow Russia to accelerate the ratification of the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

Presenter: Which bodies control the organization of the activities of the Federal State Institution "Main Bureau of Medical and Social Expertise"?

Kozlov S.I.:
Control over the procedure for organizing and carrying out medical and social examination, as well as the rehabilitation of disabled people and the procedure for establishing the degree of loss of professional ability as a result of industrial accidents and occupational diseases in accordance with Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of June 30, 2004 N 323 “On approval of the Regulations on the Federal Service for Supervision in the Sphere of Health and Social Development" is carried out by the Federal Service for Supervision in the Sphere of Health and Social Development. In accordance with Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation dated April 11, 2005 N 206 “On the Federal Medical and Biological Agency,” the FMBA of Russia also exercises control over the activities of subordinate organizations.

Presenter: On April 7, 2008, Resolution of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 247 “On Amendments to the Rules for Recognizing a Person as Disabled” was adopted. It follows from the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation that people with incurable diseases and injuries are not required to undergo examinations annually. Please tell me, has the life of a person with disabilities become better due to his acceptance?

Kozlov S.I.:
I have already drawn attention to the fact that recently a number of normative legal acts with a social orientation have already been adopted, including Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation dated 04/07/2008 N 247 “On Amendments to the Rules for Recognizing a Person as a Disabled Person”, a list has been defined diseases, defects, and conditions according to which disability is established indefinitely, which eliminates the need for citizens to re-apply to treatment and preventive institutions to formalize a referral for a medical and social examination, as well as the re-examination of citizens in federal medical and social examination institutions.
The list of diseases, defects, conditions under which a disability group is established without specifying the period for re-examination has been adapted to ICD-10, taking into account the proposals of the All-Russian Public Organization of Disabled Persons. The period of observation by federal state institutions of medical and social examination has been determined, according to the list - for 2 years, after which the disability group is established without specifying the period for re-examination. In the case of the main forms of diseases, this period is necessary to carry out a set of therapeutic measures aimed at restoring impaired or lost health functions of sick and disabled people, or attenuating the consequences of an illness, injury or injury until full or partial restoration or compensation of disorders in the patient’s condition.
This legal norm is addressed, first of all, to federal state institutions of medical and social examination, and sets for them deadlines for monitoring disabled people when making a decision to establish disability indefinitely and prevents unreasonable, untimely decision-making to establish disability without specifying the period for re-examination, which will ensure the implementation citizens of the rights associated with their recognition as disabled. In the Russian Federation in 2007 (May-December), the total number of all people recognized as disabled (adult population) was 2,275,929 people, of which 21.84% of the total number were permanently recognized as disabled. In 2008, after the release of this Resolution, the number of disabled people (for May-December) amounted to 2,222,359 people, of which 711,899 people or 32.03% were permanently recognized (i.e., almost 10% more than in 2007 ).

Host: Please tell us about the judicial practice of challenging decisions on medical and social examination? Can a citizen who does not agree with the decision of the ITU bureau immediately file a complaint with the court, or is he obliged to first appeal this decision to the main ITU bureau? What are the statistics of citizens appealing the conclusions of the ITU Bureau in the courts, whose side do the judicial authorities take in this controversial issue more often? What regulatory legal acts regulate the issues of appealing decisions of medical and social examinations in the Russian Federation?" Asks Vasily Lonovoy from Tyumen.

Kozlov S.I.:
Issues of appealing decisions of the medical and social examination bureau are also regulated by Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of February 20, 2006 N 95 “On the procedure and conditions for recognizing a person as disabled.”
The legislation provides: if a citizen or his legal representative does not agree with the decision of the branch of the medical and social examination bureau, then he can appeal this decision to the main ITU bureau in his region, and if he disagrees with the decision of the main bureau, to the Federal Bureau. Decisions of the bureau, the main bureau, the Federal Bureau can be appealed to the court by a citizen (his legal representative) in the manner established by the legislation of the Russian Federation. According to monitoring data from the Federal Medical and Biological Agency, in 2008, 2,764 cases were appealed in court, or 0.06% of the total number of examinations of 4.76 million people. 210 lawsuits were satisfied, which is 0.004% of the total number of examinations, or 7.6% of the number of appealed decisions of medical and social examination institutions. At the same time, I note that not a single claim was satisfied due to abuse of official position.

Presenter: There is a Letter from the Ministry of Health and Social Development of the Russian Federation dated May 5, 2006 N 2317-BC, which sends Methodological recommendations for providing disabled people with technical means of rehabilitation. Then Letter N 3092-ВС dated April 18, 2007 was sent, which, in turn, recalled the previous letter from execution, but did not provide new recommendations. Question: what is the status of Letter No. 2317-BC of May 5, 2006 and the Methodological Recommendations, “valid” or “lost force”. If “active”, what does the “withdrawn” status mean?

Kozlov S.I.:
Letter of the Ministry of Health and Social Development of Russia dated May 5, 2006 N 2317-ВС was withdrawn from execution by medical and social examination institutions, therefore, the Methodological Recommendations for Providing Disabled Persons with Technical Means of Rehabilitation are an act that has lost legal force.

Presenter: In the course of the FMBA of Russia carrying out its functions in terms of ITU, are representatives of the public involved in the discussion of various projects and initiatives? To what extent is the opinion of public associations of people with disabilities and human rights organizations taken into account when making a decision? On what issues has this cooperation already been established, is there any positive impact?

Kozlov S.I.:
Recently, a number of normative legal acts with a social orientation have been adopted. Thus, in the preparation of Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation dated 04/07/2008 N 247 “On amendments to the Rules for recognizing a person as disabled” and Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation dated 04/07/2008 N 240 “On the procedure for providing disabled people with technical means of rehabilitation and certain categories of citizens from number of veterans with prostheses (except dentures), prosthetic and orthopedic products" public organizations of disabled people took an active part. It is also expected that public organizations of disabled people will actively participate in the preparation of the Concept for reforming the state system of medical and social examination and rehabilitation of disabled people, and discuss it widely with all interested institutions of civil society.

Host: The supplementary drug program suffers from gaps and shortcomings in the legislation. The needs of beneficiaries for medicines are determined unqualifiedly, almost by eye, inventory management is poorly organized, the issuance of prescriptions for medicines is often unsystematic, and funding from the federal budget is insufficient. When will they finally take appropriate measures to regulate DLO?

Kozlov S.I.:
This issue does not fall within the competence of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency of Russia, but I can say that in 2008, the drug provision scheme for preferential categories of citizens completely changed. The powers to provide them with the necessary medicines have been transferred to the constituent entities of the Russian Federation. And patients with diseases of seven nosologies (hemophilia, cystic fibrosis, pituitary dwarfism, Gaucher disease, myeloid leukemia, multiple sclerosis, as well as after organ and (or) tissue transplantation), requiring expensive therapy, began to be provided with the necessary medicines at the expense of the federal budget.

Presenter: The degree of restriction of work activity is now being determined. Tell me, please, what is the difference between the disability group and this very degree? What is taken into account first of all when determining it?

Kozlov S.I.:
A medical and social examination is carried out to establish the structure and degree of limitation of a citizen’s life activity (including the degree of limitation of the ability to work). Depending on the degree of disability caused by a persistent disorder of body functions resulting from diseases, consequences of injuries or defects, a citizen recognized as disabled is assigned disability group I, II or III. When a disability group is established for a citizen, the degree of limitation of his ability to work is simultaneously determined (III, II or I degree of limitation) or the disability group is established without restriction of his ability to work. Thus, limiting the ability to work is one

A. NASIBOV: The radio station “Echo of Moscow” is working. Moscow time 22 hours 11 minutes. Ashot Nasibov at the microphone. Greetings dear listeners! This is the Back to the Future program. Today we are talking about disability, or more precisely, about the so-called fake disability. This topic is in last days“on hearing”, especially in connection with the problem of the emergence of various types fake certificates upon admission to a higher education institution. At least, this is exactly what was reported in our Russian press. We will touch on this topic and talk about disability in general, about what is being done to help people with disabilities. Guest expert in the studio: Sergey Kozlov, head of the department of medical and social examination and social support of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency. Sergey Ivanovich, good evening!

S. KOZLOV: Good evening!

A. NASIBOV: Sergiy Ivanovich, before we start the program, I want to read to you an excerpt from the message that we received on the Internet before the start of the program.

Waldemar Green, a doctor from Sudan, as he introduced himself, expresses the following point of view: “The very concept of disability or disability group does not indicate the degree of health or illness, but says that a person needs one degree or another of social protection.” – Do you agree with this statement?

S. KOZLOV: To some extent, we can agree, because today there is a regulatory document in force, and it provides for the establishment of disability in accordance with the limitations in life activity that have occurred as a result of a dysfunction of the body, and whether a person needs social protection measures. If you are aware, then in accordance with the instructions of the President, which was given when establishing the Council for Disabled People, the Ministry of Health and Social Development and the Federal Medical and Biological Agency were instructed to develop a new concept for improving the medical and social examination of people with disabilities in accordance with functional disorders. Currently, we are working in accordance with ICD-10 - this is a disorder of diseases. Therefore, the transition to a new concept, depending on the impairment and health status, will represent the state of disability in more detail than now.

A. NASIBOV: Approximately when can we expect the appearance of a new concept?

S. KOZLOV: In accordance with the president’s instructions, it should be presented before December 1, but I think that we will try to do this earlier in order to, in addition to the concept, prepare a number of regulatory documents that must correspond to the adopted concept so that it is possible in some then the necessary projects have already been carried out since January 2010.

A. NASIBOV: What new do you include in this concept?

S. KOZLOV: Most likely, we believe that a new concept of “rehabilitator” should appear. And from our point of view, it should come out through citizens who, in order to receive rehabilitation measures, they are first forced to establish a disability, then they receive a rehabilitation measure, which is paid for by the state.

S. KOZLOV: We take the disabled person beyond the scope. Therefore, according to the current government decree, persons must be sent to us after carrying out the entire range of rehabilitation measures. From our point of view, groups of people who need long-term or permanent replacement maintenance therapy should leave. Persons who have, say, the disease phenylketonuria, which is diagnosed practically in the maternity hospital, and so that the child does not become disabled - in addition to the fact that it is quite severe mental trauma in the family, because he is severely disabled - if this child is given specific baby food, then he will not be disabled. Today, we determine indications for nutrition after we are forced to assign him the “disabled” category. – These are the main approaches.

A. NASIBOV: About a year ago, the medical and social examination was transferred to the Federal Medical and Biological Agency. What did you manage to do this year, what did you not manage to do? Where did you start?

S. KOZLOV: Yes, literally in June last year a presidential decree was adopted, then a government decree, and in accordance with the government decree of September 10, the departments of the Federal Medical and Biological agencies. So, it is impossible to say that the FMBA of Russia did not engage in medical and social examination, because in many medical institutions subordinate to the Federal Medical and Biological Agency there were medical and social examination institutions that were engaged in the examination of persons with particularly dangerous professions, and they were quite good results. And, apparently, it was considered that the results of the work of these institutions were quite decent, and thus the department was transferred to the FMBA. And first of all, we took part even before the transfer stage, this is in the preparation of the 240th government resolution, this is the provision of technical means of rehabilitation, as a result of which a number of positions have changed. New de jure rules appeared: disabled children were given the opportunity to receive technical aids, terms and conditions for the payment of compensation, and various other provisions were determined. And also the 247th government resolution, dated April 7, 2008, which determined the procedure and conditions for establishing a disability group in the category “disabled child” without a period for re-examination. – These are two main documents. The main talk of the town is the lengthy examination and difficulties in completing the document for a medical and social examination.

A. NASIBOV: There are a lot of questions related to this: “Why do you have to undergo a medical and social examination again every year, and, moreover, from general practitioners?”

S. KOZLOV: We have prepared a project for the Ministry of Health and Social Development, it is now being approved, which regulates the timing of examinations in medical institutions. We offer - we have Form 88 - a referral for a medical and social examination, one within a month. This means, from our point of view, from the moment of contacting medical institutions, out of turn, he must be examined, a referral for a medical and social examination must be filled out, if there are grounds for this, and he must be examined in the near future. The question that you mentioned is precisely what Resolution 247 has sent, which currently regulates the procedure for establishing the disability group of the “disabled child” category for persons under the age of 18 according to the period of observation. You see, the situation is such that for various diseases, well, basically, about two years is the minimum recovery period that is necessary in order to restore or compensate for functions through rehabilitation measures, treatment.

A. NASIBOV: Well, this question concerns, for example, people with amputations. It is clear that an arm or a leg will not grow on its own, but then why do they need to undergo new examinations every year?

S. KOZLOV: Today, the first two years of life are practically spent by people with this pathology. Let's say, a serious injury: the first six months, a year, physiological and rehabilitation measures that are aimed, they allow you to somehow compensate and prepare a person to be fitted with prosthetics. Let's say, the first year - this could be the second group. And in accordance with the convention, which the Russian Federation signed, disability is an evolving condition. By carrying out rehabilitation measures, either compensation or restoration of functions can be achieved. In the case of the absence of limbs, say, restoration of functions is impossible, but by making a prosthesis, teaching a person to use this prosthesis, and having him in the field of rehabilitation specialists, a disability group is established for this period of rehabilitation measures. Then the person is assigned a disability group for an indefinite period.

A. NASIBOV: Sergei Kozlov, head of the department of medical and social examination and social support of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency, is a guest of the “Back to the Future” program on radio “Echo of Moscow”. Send your questions and comments via SMS to +7 985 970-45-45. We continue our conversation. Difference Russian system medical and social examination from foreign systems - what is the main difference?

S. KOZLOV: Let’s say, as part of preparing a concept for improving social expertise, we got acquainted with the work of a number of organizations that are involved in determining disability. And yet, it must be said that over time we became acquainted with the Canadian system. When we talked about the conditions in which our specialists work and what determines it, it was highly appreciated that we have a high social orientation. The main difference is that in other countries in Europe, America, Canada, the determination of disability is of a registration nature, and the person then decides for himself whether to apply for, say, rehabilitation, if he has insurance, or whether to apply for employment. Today we have interaction between medical institutions, because a large complex of institutions and organizations is engaged in the provision of rehabilitation services - these are healthcare, employment, cultural, educational institutions, prosthetic and orthopedic enterprises. There, a person is forced to walk with insurance himself. Here, based on the results of the examination, an individual rehabilitation program is developed for him. And we try to interact. Another change in the concept that we propose is to move away from Law 94 in providing disabled people with technical means of rehabilitation. Based on the results of the examination, there should be (inaudible) and the cost of expressions, that is, a certificate.

A. NASIBOV: And the person decides for himself?

S. KOZLOV: A person decides for himself which manufacturer to go to. There must be clearly defined amounts listed, for example, for a prosthesis. If a person has a desire, he can add funds and buy a new prosthesis.

A. NASIBOV: Or vice versa, cheaper.

S. KOZLOV: Or vice versa, yes. Here, as it were, if we have state or private prosthetic enterprises, then we supply them with information about the person’s consent, and it is no longer the person who goes to this enterprise, but the enterprise comes and says that I will install a prosthesis for you at home, I will bring it today. And the person will have a choice. When competition appears, quality will appear. Indeed, today, often those technical means that we recommend, which are supplied to a person, cannot be used by a person, because they quickly fail. This fact exists.

A. NASIBOV: Pensioner Alexander Bevzyukov writes: “When will the practice of annual confirmation of disability be eliminated?” And another question. Just a second... Grigory Mazurenko, a social worker, believes that in our country the main motive for receiving a disability group remains receiving a pension supplement.

S. KOZLOV: Well, it’s difficult to say here, because the disability pension does not always exceed the salary. And to say that people, as a rule, apply in order to compensate for some financial costs is difficult here. But, given that our medical and social examination is still socially oriented.

A. NASIBOV: You know, he is a social worker, he is “closer to the ground,” as they say. Here he writes: “In pursuit of material gain, our fellow citizens storm clinics and quarrel with doctors.”

S. KOZLOV: I can’t say this about everyone. There are certain episodes when you want something more than you should. But the majority, nevertheless, apply for examination when it is absolutely unbearable! If we compare before the crisis broke out - this year we had an increase in the number of examinations - this suggests that people somehow held on to work and coped with their illness with all their capabilities. As soon as they have lost their jobs, in order to receive some kind of compensation or means of subsistence, they apply for examinations. Although, I say that there are cases when the desires of citizens do not always coincide with what they are entitled to.

A. NASIBOV: Valery Valeev, a pensioner, is interested: “Why do they keep increasing the service life of wheelchairs for disabled people?” – In my opinion, you partially answered the question about technical means.

S. KOZLOV: As of today, the deadlines have not been changed, they remain the same. Another question is that the wheelchairs that disabled people receive do not always meet these deadlines. And the question should be raised not about whether or not to increase the shelf life of wheelchairs, but the question should be raised about the fact that attention should be paid to the quality of technical means of rehabilitation so that they can withstand the periods for which they are designed.

A. NASIBOV: That is, if, according to your concept, a person himself will determine where to buy the same wheelchair and where to give this certificate. Am I right?

S. KOZLOV: Yes. He will choose himself, and best quality. And the company will be interested. When there are two companies, and one goes bankrupt because its quality is worse, this will pose a question to manufacturers: either the company goes bankrupt, or they have to do something. If the quality does not match, either reduce the price or increase the quality level so that this stroller is competitive.

A. NASIBOV: How will you relate the cost of this certificate to the average cost of these technical means on the market?

S. KOZLOV: We believe that we have now prepared, with the participation of the Ministry of Health, medical contraindications for the provision of technical means for rehabilitation. We believe that there should also be medical and social indications: for example, people of retirement age in rural areas who need the same prosthesis to restore mobility. There should be funds for the purchase of this prosthesis, or a technical means of rehabilitation in somewhat smaller quantities, say, if a person is of working age, goes in for sports, has an active life position, then the wear rate of this technical means of rehabilitation will, as a rule, be greater for him, and he will need to change it more often. – The intersection of these two indicators - medical-technical and medical-social - should determine the average cost. Plus, there must also be a pricing policy that must take into account the delivery of this technical equipment, because we have a large country, this must also be taken into account.

A. NASIBOV: Alexander from Volgograd believes that the degree of disability is, in fact, a ban on the right of a Russian citizen to work. He proposes to abolish the concept of degree of disability.

S. KOZLOV: I think the question here is not about the degree of loss of ability to work, but the degree of limitation of work activity. Currently, disability is established depending on seven categories of disability, the component of which is the limitation of the ability to work. Pensions are currently paid depending on the degree of restriction on work activity. And therefore, people with visual impairments of the first group, who have limitations in communication, movement, and self-care, have the first group of disabilities. But, given that they can work in specially created conditions, they have restrictions on work activity of the second degree and they receive a pension in the second group. At the suggestion of the Ministry of Health and Social Development, a justification has been prepared. And if you read in the press, a bill is being prepared, which, starting from the new year, if everything goes well, will be amended, and the disability pension will be paid depending on the disability group, and not on the degree of limitation to work. – This is also a proposal that came from us.

A. NASIBOV: Sergei Kozlov, head of the department of medical and social examination and social support of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency, is a guest of the “Back to the Future” program on the waves of radio “Echo of Moscow”. Please ask your comments and questions via SMS by sending them to the number +7 985 970-45-45. In the second half of the hour we will begin, perhaps, with the question of medicines for the disabled. Let's try to start with this question and then continue the topic of those very certificates that are now used for admission to a higher educational institution. There is a lot of interesting things here.

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A. NASIBOV: The radio station “Echo of Moscow” is working. Ashot Nasibov at the microphone. This is the Back to the Future program. Today we are discussing assistance to the disabled and the so-called fake disability. Sergei Kozlov, head of the department of medical and social examination and social support of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency, is a guest in the studio. Send questions and comments to +7 985 970-45-45. There are already several questions about medications for the disabled. Could you say a few words about this?

S. KOZLOV: Well, this group of issues indirectly relates to our management, because we are organizing a medical and social examination. But, depending on the disability group, a number of categories have certain preferential conditions for receiving medications. The main group is those with disabilities who have not refused the social package - they have the right to be provided with medicines in the prescribed manner when applying to medical institutions.

A.NASIBOV: Sergey Ivanovich, in recent days the topic of so-called “fake” disabled people has been on our lips, thanks to my fellow journalists. Just today I saw one report on one of the federal TV channels, where a person said that on budget, when entering higher education educational establishments, I almost exclusively apply to two categories of applicants: the category of winners of summer school Olympiads and people who provided certificates of disability. Regarding the second half of this question, we are familiar with this situation.

S. KOZLOV: Yes, we are familiar with this situation, this is a rather painful issue for us. I believe that representatives of higher educational institutions and the press formulated the question rather incorrectly. If we put our heads together, this situation was predictable. If in past years, people with disabilities, including, like all beneficiaries, took exams on a general basis, and if they received an unsatisfactory grade, they were not accepted for enrollment, but now, you all know, we have the Unified State Examination, a new grading system students' knowledge, which was based on the old information base. According to the head of Rosobrnadzor, there are one hundred and fifty-three preferential categories for enrollment when entering a university.

A. NASIBOV: One hundred and fifty-three categories of beneficiaries for enrollment in a university?

S. KOZLOV: Yes, including disabled beneficiaries. Those statements about what managers don’t see include the fact that these are beneficiaries. And we analyzed this situation: there were multiple accusations that the number of disabled people who received disability in May and June increased, that the group of the “disabled child” category was established for several months, only for a period - this is not true. To date, we have received information from sixty-nine of our main bureaus for the constituent entities of the Russian Federation.

A. NASIBOV: Sixty-nine regions, in fact, right?

S. KOZLOV: Yes. Sixty-nine regions received data. And we have virtually no increase in the number of people on disability compared to last year. We commissioned a check to compare the number of disabled children who were assigned the category “disabled child” from 16 to 18 years old, and the groups of people 18 years old and older - these are the categories by which disability groups are established. And we have a clear ratio, we have no increase compared to last year for this period. This is the first situation where there is no increase. We also analyzed qualitatively the numerical composition. The majority of people represented in this contingent are disabled people whose disability was established at the beginning of the “disabled child” category - this was in 2004-2005. And their next examination coincided: May-June, or January. Rosobrnadzor presented us with lists of students at two higher educational institutions in Moscow: the Higher School of Economics and the Financial Academy - 80 and 42 people. We asked our institutions, the main bureaus for the constituent entities of the Russian Federation provided us with information: the main body - the disability group was established with reason. The fact that purely physically they do not see that this is a disabled person, this suggests that more than 80 percent are persons who have been diagnosed with a disability with somatic diseases. These are mainly bronchial asthma and diabetes mellitus. That is, it is not purely visually visible on a person; a few percent are persons with paralysis, with childhood cerebral palsy, what we, ordinary people, see as a manifestation of disability. To say that the certificates are fake: we checked, we do not have confirmation for only three persons.

A. NASIBOV: From what quantity?

S. KOZLOV: Out of 122.

A. NASIBOV: Of 122.

S. KOZLOV: Yes.

A. NASIBOV: There is no confirmation of three persons?

S. KOZLOV: There is no confirmation for three persons, but we were provided with very brief information, that is, last name, first name and patronymic, and the serial number of the certificate, and the subject. So, these three people - one in Moscow, one in the Moscow region, the other from the Chelyabinsk region - did not undergo examination. We will now make a request for the rest of our institutions in the Russian Federation, because inaccurate information may have been provided; these persons could have gone to another of the regions. The abundance of disabled people, as well as in general, the number of people who have applied to higher educational institutions, is due to the fact that it is allowed to apply to several educational institutions this year. So, therefore, the list of, say, representatives of Kalmykia with disabilities, out of 16 people who applied to the Higher School of Economics, they also submitted applications to the Financial Academy. Thus, one gets the impression that a large number of people are disabled. Therefore, I would ask you to be very correct in this regard, because disabled children who have now acquired the opportunity to receive an education - we, after all, signed the convention, including, there are clauses on education without discrimination, and create equal opportunities. If today the regulatory framework allows them to go to college, then, as a rule, I want to answer that such children are more diligent, more demanding both in work and in school, therefore, the situation that is now playing out, from my point of view , very incorrect.

A. NASIBOV: Tell me, please. But did representatives of Rosobrnauka, representatives of those same universities, the same developers of new rules for admission to higher education institutions contact you before this whole situation began to develop? Did anyone consult you? Perhaps you offered your advice to the Graduate School to prevent such misunderstandings?

S. KOZLOV: I understand the question. No, there were no such requests to us. We had an appeal after this situation took place. Here is the direction of the lists of two universities through Rosobrnadzor High school economy. Well, in our letter that we prepared to Rosobrnadzor, we communicated these instructions to the heads of the main constituent entities of the Russian Federation: in the case of requests from representatives of universities, justified requests, confirm the validity of issuing a certificate. - Whether this certificate appears to have been validly issued, whether such a person has passed through, and whether it is false - provide all possible assistance. I can say that in parallel, the social security authorities contacted the main bureau for the Krasnodar Territory: the Kuban Academy also submitted a list of 36 people. It’s as if all decisions are also correctly justified. That is, such work is also already underway in the regions. And, if doubts arise, then, let’s say, there was a very large appeal to MSTU. Bauman, a large number, but, as a university representative said: “Not a single false certificate was identified.” And before making such statements about the dominance of false certificates, you could still contact the Federal Medical and Biological Agency.

A. NASIBOV: Do you have a database of all issued certificates?

S. KOZLOV: We can give instructions on the subjects, our subjects have this database, and we can give instructions to check in the shortest possible time. And if there is such a need to indicate passport data, place of residence, because the Russian Federation is large, and, naturally, some of the applicants and disabled people want to study at universities in the capital.

A. NASIBOV: As far as I understand, the situation boils down to the fact that this year the Unified State Exam was introduced, and all the flaws, “fleas”, shortcomings came to light - this is not only due to the large number of disabled people entering universities, but also with the emergence of one hundred percent results on the Unified State Exam in a number of cases. This is probably a trial year.

S. KOZLOV: Yes.

A. NASIBOV: Have you drawn any conclusions for yourself?

S. KOZLOV: We have drawn conclusions for ourselves, and we are preparing appeals to Rosobrnadzor to meet together and discuss the proposals being made - after all, there was a proposal to reduce the number of beneficiaries - that is, so that this does not happen to the detriment of those people we called upon to protect. There must be reasonable cuts, some reasonable approach, so that this procedure will be simplified for the next entrance exams at universities, and there will not be such a rush.

A. NASIBOV: Waldemar Green asks another question: “What areas in medical and social expertise need to be developed to eliminate the possibility of false disability?” – One thing you mentioned is the development of this very database, and checking against the databases, if you are approached. What else could it be?

S. KOZLOV: What else? This means, again, the concept provides for a change in the very procedure for referral for examination in the use of computer electronic equipment. We are now preparing a regulation based on the fact that our medical institutions should have electronic medical records and electronic outpatient records. And in the case of a referral for an examination, neither the doctors of the medical institutions nor our specialists had the opportunity to, well, to put it mildly, play pranks. Because electronic documents have an access level, and if someone came in and changed some results in one direction or another, you can always track who did it. From our point of view, the procedure for referral for examination will change again. Apparently, we are proposing to simplify the procedure - in some cases this will be done in absentia, without inviting the person, and the examination procedure itself will change, it will be simplified. – Therefore, all this will allow us to make a transparent procedure for sending an examination and obtaining results, thereby eliminating the possibility of any falsification. Literally on the tenth, as part of the delegation of the Ministry of Health and Social Development, together with Minister Tatyana Alekseeva Gulikova, we were in Krasnoyarsk, where, as a pilot project, premises were opened for a branch of the main bureau for the Krasnoyarsk Territory, on the basis of the Siberian clinical center. This institution is a prototype of what we want to see - large, spacious halls, a large games room, bright. To be honest, our institutions do not always meet the standards that they should have. There are no ramps, sometimes they are replaced on the upper floors without elevators, so this is now receiving a lot of attention from both the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation and the Federal Medical and Biological Agency.

A. NASIBOV: But I also know from the municipalities that in Moscow there is also a corresponding program.

S. KOZLOV: Well, currently we have a problem with placement, and basically most of the subjects in the Russian Federation. Providing premises for our institutions is a very big issue, a very painful issue. So, in Krasnoyarsk, in addition to everything that there is a premises, we are moving to a fairly new level: information terminals have been installed, a single information service with a telephone number has now been launched in Krasnoyarsk, it is announced, a person can call work time by phone. We proposed that the operators of this help desk should be people with disabilities, including those with limited mobility, who have remote access - a computer, a telephone line - who are specially trained, who have, say, a legal education - there are such persons too. And regarding medical and social examination of pension provision, you can contact revolutionary services, and if the operator cannot answer any questions, then you will be switched to specialists of the appropriate level. Further implies an electronic account, and based on the results of the examination, a person will receive a login and password, can log into his personal account via the Internet, look at the results, and can instruct this service to remind him in the form of either an email or an SMS message that, say , he needs to undergo re-examination in advance, - different situations can be. If, in the event of a written appeal regarding disagreement with the decision of the institution, a person will be able to trace the movements of the complaint: when the complaint was received, who is considering it, when he received the answer. – This is what we are working on. Several subjects have now been selected to participate in the pilot project. And I think that by the time we prepare the concept, which we will have to report to the president, we will already be able to show some concrete results in implementing individual elements of this concept.

A. NASIBOV: Telephone number for the live broadcast of the Ekho Moskvy radio studio: 363-36-59, Moscow year 495. We are starting to receive your calls. Ask questions to Sergei Kozlov, head of the department of medical and social examination and social support of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency. We are discussing the so-called fake disability. – 363-36-59. The first phone calls came. Put on your headphones, Sergei Ivanovich. First call, we are listening to you. Hello!

LISTENER-1: Hello, good afternoon!

A. NASIBOV: What is your name? Where are you calling from?

LISTENER-1: I’m from Moscow, my name is Oleg.

A. NASIBOV: Listen, Oleg

OLEG: I would like to ask the guest a question. Can you tell us about the practice of teaching people with disabilities in higher education institutions?

A. NASIBOV: More specifically. What does practice mean?

OLEG: Well, how do you actually work with them in practice, how comfortable are they to learn? Because as far as I know, in fact everything rests on individual people who, on their own initiative, somehow pull these people, often despite the administration of higher educational institutions, and so on.

A. NASIBOV: Thank you!

OLEG: You're welcome!

S. KOZLOV: I have to agree somewhere that in some cases it is quite difficult for people with disabilities to study in our universities, simply physically: in some places there are no ramps, in others there are no elevators. Persons with disabilities simply cannot come and go to this university. Currently there are groups at MSTU. Bauman, who work quite widely with people with disabilities, are developing new distance learning systems. So, I have already said that the Russian Federation has signed the convention, including clauses in education. And therefore, now all steps must be taken, and the situation in a similar case must be corrected, and conditions for normal study must be created. If a person cannot attend, say, higher educational institutions, medical and social examination institutions may be offered, various shapes. For people with disabilities, full-time, extramural, say, homeschooling, distance learning. And now there is every opportunity to introduce these proposals into the concept, which will be aimed at improvements.

A. NASIBOV: Is this the one you are developing?

S. KOZLOV: Yes.

A. NASIBOV: Are you planning to put these provisions into the concept? Am I right?

S. KOZLOV: Yes.

A. NASIBOV: 363-36-59. Next call. Hello.

LISTENER-2: Hello!

A. NASIBOV: Hello! Turn down your radio, please.

LISTENER-2: Hello!

A. NASIBOV: Hello! Turn down your radio please!

LISTENER-2: I see. Hello.

A. NASIBOV: What is your name and where are you calling from?

LISTENER-2: Leningrad region, Kashinsky district.

A. NASIBOV: What is your name?

LISTENER-2: Georgy Alexandrovich.

A. NASIBOV: Listen, Georgy Alexandrovich.

G. ALEXANDROVICH: So, I am a disabled person of the third group, injured at work. I had it back in '62. Since 1962, I have been ordering something similar to a prosthesis from the Leningrad prosthetic enterprise. In general, in short, the function of the leg is completely impaired. I have been ordering this device since 1962. It was always without any problems, I came to the plant... Yes, I have permanent disability group 3.

A. NASIBOV: Georgy Alexandrovich, what is the question?

G. ALEXANDROVICH: I recently went to a rehabilitation program, it only consisted of me going through all the rooms. Four times I went from my village to the regional center to see all the doctors. I have to go through all the doctors so that they can write me a certificate stating that I benefit from the rehabilitation program, so that I can harden this prosthesis. Do you understand what's going on?

A. NASIBOV: Do we understand?

G. ALEXANDROVICH: I asked the doctor: “What, we’ll meet in two years?” - By the way, it lasts me two years, I can still fix it myself, and so on. In two years, do I have to go through the same system again?

A. NASIBOV: Thank you, Georgy Alexandrovich. Now let's try to find out the answer. Thank you! This is where we started our conversation.

S. KOZLOV: Yes. Problems exist. And, say, with government decree 240, from April 7, 2008, it is stipulated that an individual rehabilitation program for a disabled person, a disabled child, can be developed for a year, for two, or for an indefinite period, or for children until they turn 18 years old. The rehabilitation program for the victim is currently being developed for the recovery period.

A. NASIBOV: For a period?...

S. KOZLOV: For the recovery period, the degree of loss of professional ability to work as a percentage. This means that in this case, either a year or two is established for a person. We are now preparing documents stating that the PRP (Victim Rehabilitation Program) can and should be issued indefinitely in such cases. And upon contacting the same prosthetic company, we should simply change this tuter purely automatically, and eliminate this “hellish” circle of going to medical institutions to fill out Form 88, then visiting a medical and social examination institution. A PRP will be issued, say, for an indefinite period. If, if the condition worsens, there is a need for some additional measures, he can contact the institutions himself.

A. NASIBOV: It is you who put into this the very concept that begins to operate from the 10th year.

S. KOZLOV: Well, as the government decides.

A. NASIBOV: How the government will accept it. Thank you! 363-36-59 – live telephone number. We are listening to you. Hello.

LISTENER-3: Hello!

A. NASIBOV: Hello!

LISTENER-3: My name is Natalya.

A. NASIBOV: Where are you calling from, Natalya?

NATALIA: From Moscow.

A. NASIBOV: Let's listen.

NATALIA: So I have the following problem: three years ago I completely lost my sight. Since I was 16 years old, I have been disabled in the first group of the second degree in vision. Sorry, I'm worried.

A. NASIBOV: Don’t worry, Natalya. Don't worry. We are here to answer your questions.

NATALIA: At the moment I have a second degree disability. The fact is that one eye I have is a prosthesis, the other completely does not even see light. The group is given a second degree rating. Naturally, I can’t work, I can’t get to work. I can hardly walk with a stick either.

A. NASIBOV: What kind of work did you have?

NATALIA: I am an opera singer, soloist and vocalist, I worked in the theater.

A. NASIBOV: I see.

S. KOZLOV: At the moment I am trying to find opportunities to do my professional activity, but it’s impossible to get a job in the Philharmonic Society now. These can only be private concerts. Unfortunately, this is very bad now.

A. NASIBOV: I understand correctly, your question still concerns work for those who have disabilities?

NATALIA: Yes. This concerns not only work: I am now receiving a pension under the second group - that is, I have completely lost my vision, but nothing has changed for me. I receive the same pension as I received when I saw and when I had the opportunity to work. At the moment I am at home, I receive the same pension, I am dependent on my mother, a pensioner, who receives a minimum pension, she has a 2700 pension in Moscow. And, unfortunately, I have another question: I was given the opportunity for rehabilitation, in everyday conditions I sort of rehabilitated myself, I believe that I can adapt myself at home. Walking with a cane is very difficult, I can’t get a guide dog either, because I live in a hostel, the conditions don’t help. They give me the opportunity to travel on a voucher, but, again, the first group of the second degree does not have the right to get the opportunity to have an accompanying person. That is, I can go by myself, but I cannot have an accompanying person.

A. NASIBOV: I see. A whole range of questions.

NATALIA: The complex is very large. Unfortunately, I am now in such conditions that I cannot help but go anywhere, turn anywhere.

A. NASIBOV: Natalya, let's try to hear at least the answers to some of the questions you asked.

NATALIA: Thank you!

A. NASIBOV: First, regarding employment.

S. KOZLOV: The question here is about non-employment, here we are talking about what we talked about. That being a visually disabled person of the first group, Natalia has a second degree limitation in her ability to work, which means she receives a pension, as in the second group before. That is, there is no difference here. – This is the most vulnerable contingent, which, due to the limited ability to work, turns out that even if a person is employed and works, it turns out that we are punishing him. He can work with the first group of disability. But the rest, even if they have the second group, if they have the ability to work at the third degree level, they receive a pension like disabled people of the first group.

A. NASIBOV: Do I understand correctly? For me, as a person a little from the outside, I still want to understand for myself. Do I understand correctly that if a disabled person with a second disability group gets a job, or tries to get a job, he loses part of his income?

S. KOZLOV: No.

A. NASIBOV: Incorrect?

S. KOZLOV: Wrong. According to restrictions on the ability to work, Natalya is in the first group.

A. NASIBOV: Yes.

S. KOZLOV: But our pension is now paid according to the limitation of the ability to work; it can work in specially created conditions.

A. NASIBOV: Oh, that’s it.

S. KOZLOV: Yes. And she receives a pension, as disabled people of the second group previously received. And in accordance with the current legislation... Yes, she clearly said that these people, they are well socialized at home, in their region, but when they go for treatment to another region, they are completely independent. They can't navigate. But, according to current legislation, an accompanying person is provided not to disabled people of the first group, but to persons with restrictions on work activity of the third degree, and she has a second degree. That is, she is deprived of this right. This is what I said at the beginning: if everything works out and the draft law passes, then from the new year the disability pension will be paid not depending on the degree of restriction on work activity, but as before, according to the disability group. That is, whether she works or not, she will receive disability depending on those functional impairments in the first disability group. That is, her pension will increase and she will receive the right to have an accompanying person to go to the same health center for treatment, with the same mother, or with another person who will accompany her. – This is what we talked about.

A. NASIBOV: Sergey Ivanovich, quickly prepare your concept! Prepare a draft on new laws quickly! Judging by the number of calls and SMS messages we have received, people really need what you are doing now.

S. KOZLOV: These are very painful questions, always when it comes to health. And we are now inspecting our institutions a lot and meeting with representatives of the disabled community, meeting with citizens, and how we discuss and verify these concepts. Therefore, we will try, well, as quickly as possible, taking into account all the comments and proposals that exist, to implement them. And the point is that for people who are in trouble, in this misfortune, it would still be at least a little easier to live.

A. NASIBOV: Sergei Kozlov, head of the department of medical and social examination and social support of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency, is a guest of the “Back to the Future” program on the waves of “Echo of Moscow”. Leave your comments and suggestions on the Ekho Moskvy radio website and on Tatyana Fengelgauer’s blog. The program "Back to the Future" is aired thanks to a collaboration with public council state corporation "Rosatom". I say goodbye to Ashot Nasibov! See you in a week! Thank you, Sergey Ivanovich, for your participation!

S. KOZLOV: Thank you! Goodbye!